Maybe but the sport should have progressed somewhat in 100 years.

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Oh yes blame it on the black and white video....that is lame as hell. Joe Louis' and Rocky Marciano's and Sonny Liston's fights were in black and white and Tyson said nothing of those.

Was Jack Johnson more exciting than Wladimir when he went 20 rounds without getting a KO He was big and strong and everything, but 72 wins 39 KO's in a time of 15-20 round fights. He (much like Wladimir) liked to dominate his opponents and very seldom he leveled them with 1 big punch (Wlad has done the same and recently to Ray Austin) and yet here we are singing the praises of Jack Johnson and complaining about Wladimir, instead of respecting what Wlad does in the ring.

Did I mention Haye in my last post No and the only reason I mention him right now is to point out to you that I didn't mention him in the previous post. You bringing him up again might just incite another rant

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Let's not get a-head of ourselves David

That's no way to get a-head in life

Now is not the time to lose one's head


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Get that chip off your shoulder about Wlad, and earlier you mentioned Haye completely unneccesarily, and you've done it a number of times, it's getting irritating, I'm sure you did it in the off-topic section the other day.

The video from Johnson's time was of far poorer quality than that of Marciano and Louis where the fighters were more clear to see. I have no problem with Wlad and think he's an excellent fighter but with all the advantages he enjoys over opponents (size, athleticism, strength, technique and often speed) it would be nice to see him do just a little bit more sometimes.

We're talking about heavyweights correct? Then why would any comment about David Haye be out of bounds or off topic?

Because you're relentlessly mentioning him. I meant you mentioned him in the off-topic section, I'll admit some of the hype he's been getting has been ridiculous, but just don't feed into it unless you're that desperate to talk about him

But this isn't the Off Topic forum and this thread IS about heavyweight ergo wouldn't this be the place for me to post about David Haye? I mean it would be in a place where you could avoid reading about him and all.

He has a point Lyle. You seem obsessed by David Haye and his downfall, If you don't like the guy thats fair enough, I don't particuarly like Mike Tyson but I don't bring him up every other post I make and I respect that the guy was a professional athlete just like Haye and Wlad.

But the thing is, and I know you'll agree with this, but David Haye IS NOT the HW division. It seems we can't discuss HWs without Haye getting mentioned, often by you, and as he hasn't done enough in the division, why do we have to mention him every time any HWs get mentioned. Wlad has earnt the right to at least be discussed in context with great HWs of the past, Haye hasn't so let's leave him out of discussions about Jack Johnson

Spot on my friend. Until Haye proves his greatness by KOing Wlad lets leave him out of Jack Johnsons thread and just keep with the topic

The only reason you guys want to compare Wlad with the greats is to bitch and moan about him so if you're thinking that reading about David Haye and how much I hate him is annoying and you want me to lay off, then I'd oblige you if the people who dislike Wladimir would stop knocking him all the time.

I personally don't want to knock Wlad but I can see why people do. He is the man at HW and he has recent greats such as Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson to follow and all three of them brought excitement that Wlad just doesn't and the fact he is around in such a poor era of HW's doesn't help because there is only really Vitali who "most" people think can beat him and they are never going to fight for obvious reasons. Wlad is a victim of this era too.

Jack Johnson really I mean who was the toughest guy he fought? Stanley Ketchel a middleweight who knocked him down. Yeah he did come back and imbed two of Ketchel's teeth in his right glove. That was the best opposition he fought nothing but old retired heavyweight fighter's. As for Wlad holding his hands out in front of him. Who the hell do you think came up with that none other than Jack Johnson. People a while ago recorded in their notes he actually fought like a cat pawing and making fun of his oppenent's by mauling them around the ring,and lacing them in their eyes. My god man have you ever wanted to see fighter's fighting in 112 degree weather for 23 rounds throwing basically 5 or 6 punches a round. It would be an all day event not to mention boring as shit unless you were there. Please I will take Wlad manhandling his oppent's for less than twelve rounds. Christ I would love to watch Jack Dempsey or Joe Louis but fucking Jack Johnson

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Right about now I'd be happy to have a Tex Cobb or Jerry Quarry

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Marching Towards the Abyss...............

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IMO Quarry is the best man never to have held the HW title.

You got as much of a chance as Wlad does of taking a right hand, then to have me stop knocking him

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