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Setting you Klitheads straight is so easy.

So tell me dude when was the last time Floyd enjoyed a drastic height, weight, reach and power advantage?

Not to mention your comparing a fighter from the absolute weakest and unmarketable division, to a fighter who fights within the realms of what has been called a golden era for 140/147

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140lb man with a 300lb heart...Miss you Champ

Can't really argue with that, such a big fight that HBO didn't want it even with the date and time slot set, says it all.

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- Lets look at Floyd's opposition:

Ricky Hatton - Floyd had every advantage over hatton, size, speed, reflexes defense, and what does he do? Floyd feints, and plays keep away while pot shotting hatton for 10 rounds

Baldomir - Floyd had every adavantage over the slow as molasis Baldomir and chose to hang back and just pot shot his way to a decision.

De La Hoya - Again, Floyd had speed and youth on his side and what does he do? he runs the whole fight....

I wonder how Floyd will fight Marquez, who again has has a ton of physical advantages? Is he going to go in and try to knock him out? NO - is he going to fight a defensive fight and pot shot......

Dont dog Wlad for lacking killer instinct when your hero has little if no killer instinct himself.

This is way too easy

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Really?

If ignorance is bliss you must be estatic my friend

Floyd enjoys 3-4 inch height advantages over his opponents

Floyd enjoys 5in reach advantages?

Floyd Enjoys 20lb weight advantages over his opponents?

Not to mention PFP Hatton and Delahoya are leagues above anyone Klit has ever fought!!!!

Hatton, Delahoya and Baldomir are all naturally bigger men than Floyd...

- I am the ignorant one, but based on what you are saying below size is the ultimate adavantage.....hmmmm so if I expand on what you are saying here Wlad would have been a huge favorite over Tyson and Ali cause of his size advantage.......

Have you seen Ali/Foreman?? You may want to watch it, it disproves your theory that if you are bigger you will win.

Alot of times larger size is offset by slower speed and stamina issues.....


Man, this is getting easier and easier....

Too bad your hero isnt Pac Man cause than I couldnt argue with you cause Pac is a fighter that truely has head and shoulders more killer instinct than Wlad and Floyd.

Wait... you're serious??

Floyd actually came into the ring lighter than Hatton, and started his career much lighter. Hatton was a big 140lber, Floyd was considered smaller than average at the weight. He then beat up on Hatton at his own game on the inside, moving in and out drawing him onto the punches. He did not just jab his way away from him. Also almost no one thought Floyd would KO Hatton, but he did.

Baldomir was a considerably bigger man, and was known for having a great chin. That's not someone you want to get into a slugfest with, however, I will concede that this was in no way an exciting fight.

Oscar came into the fight at least 15lbs heavier, this was a guy who was considered the best LMW in the world at this point, and Floyd came in and beat him despite being so much smaller. Also only B-Hop had ever actually stopped him with a body shot, so no way was Floyd going to lay him out, not at LMW anyway.

Also generally when Floyd has fought lower levels of opposition, eg Gatti, Mitchell, Manfredy (all of whom are equivalent of the guys getting taken out by Wlad) he has jumped on them and had them out by at latest the 6 round mark.

We'll see how he fights JMM before making a judgement on that, just as we will when/if Wlad fight Haye.

You can't even compare their opposition, the best Wlad has beaten is Chagaev, who as good as he is, is not that much better in talent than say Judah, who Floyd was the same size as. If Chagaev was the same height as Wlad, would he have been so easy to pick off.

Mayweather has beaten, and in some cases stopped, guys who are a shoe-in for the HoF. I can't think of a single guy Wlad has beaten who will get there.

My point is not that Wlad is a hall of fame fighter, but I dont understand how you can dog him for not having killer instinct but than talk about how great Floyd Mayweather and B Hop are. I can understand if you are a fan of Erik Morales, Barrerra or Pac Man, then i can see why you dog Wlad, cause you like guys that go in and try to knock people out. Floyd and B Hop never try and knock people out and for the most part have speed, experience, and skill on their side.

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Like I said earlier in the thread, Wlad gets more crap than he deserves, I think he's an excellent fighter, however his opposition is average at best, and that's why people would like to see him take more risks and do a bit more against said opposition. Floyd & B-Hop when fighting weaker opposition pretty much always took them out well or beat them solidly. Wlad does beat them well, but unfortunately he never does things that really make the fan sit back in amazement, such as PBF did against Hatton in the 8th & 10th or B-Hop against Pavlik with the bolo punches in round 7, 8 & 12, and it's a shame because he's more than capable. I don't blame him for fighting the way he did against Chagaev, who is a good enough boxer to warrant that, but against an old shot Rahman & Ibragimov it is a bit unwarranted. I want to see a Haye fight partly because I think it will drag him out of his shell & show just what a good fighter he is

Wrong again.

For the millionth time. When Wlad has all the advantages in the fight and it is clear his opponent is ready for the taking. HE DOSENT GO IN FOR THE KILL!!!!!

He still throws 1900 jabs! Can you get that through your head?

Its ok he boxes intelligently until he breaks his man down but then he carries the fight on for 3-4 rounds more than necessary. Its not a quality people want in their heavyweight champion. When the opponent is ready, out-gunned, out-sized and out-muscled whats the excuse for still sniffing your way through a fight.

Your analogies of Ali/Foreman etc. dont apply. If your the superior fighter with all the advantages in your favor and have a beaten opponent in front of you, there is no excuse especially for a heavyweight champion to puss your way through a fight.

....the goal for Wladimir/any professional fighters is to win, the way you get to the win doesn't matter at the end of the day.

As far as HBO not showing his fights, HBO doesn't show Arthur Abraham's fights either, they don't show Felix Sturm, they just plain don't appreciate the very technical skill that these guys have (not saying Arthur and Felix are great or anything) but they have great technical skill with no bells and whistles and a lot of Americans and apparently the vast majority of the Brits don't appreciate that.

Meanwhile, the Wlad-Chagaev fight got a 58 share in Germany so it's not as if all people don't appreciate his fighting style. I appreciate what he's able to do, people ALWAYS want the vulnerable fighter to "mix it up" and why? Because you want to see him lose end of disscussion, just come on out and say it, Wlad finished Ray Austin in the 2nd round by a BRUTAL series of left hooks and NOBODY gave him credit so obviously it doesn't matter what Wladimir does he's never going to be accepted by the likes of you so I can just tell you to keep it to yourself

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Let's not get a-head of ourselves David

That's no way to get a-head in life

Now is not the time to lose one's head


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No, ONE OF the goals is to win... the other and usually most important one to a professional (as in makes money) is to make money and fans.

So obviously the way in which you win does matter with regards to that.

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11 million viewers just in Germany doesn't matter? 61,000 fans in the stadium to watch the fight doesn't matter? I mean not everyone tuned in to watch David Haye, not everyone bought tickets to see David Haye. I will tell you if Wlad was American he'd be on his 10th PPV fight by now....fighting style wouldn't mind, they would compare him to Larry Holmes and he'd be selling crap on TV

Wlad won the fight, he stopped Chagaev a guy who had never lost, never been knocked down, and he just dominated him and yet he gets 0 respect, he knocks out Ray Austin with a HUGE punch and follow up and he gets 0 credit....it doesn't matter what Wladimir does the haters are just going to hate. If Wlad KO's David Haye with the 1st punch of the fight he'll get no credit, if Wlad loses it'll be HUGE for David Haye but at the end of the day it'll be the same old crap for Wlad "He's scared to get hit, he's chinny" blah blah blah, and if Wlad wins an all out war it's not going to matter, it won't help his cause with the haters because that's just what you guys do.

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Actually my impression is that most on here would respect him more if he got through, win or lose, an all out war.

It kind of goes to your statement in the other post, about people in the end really only wanting to see Wlad lose in the end because they are haters. Me personally; I don't think most members on here really want to see him lose so much as take those risks, especially when he is in a position to do so{and has the skill set}when the fight is all but over and it goes more rounds than necessary. It's kind of like seeing a Great White shark circling and pecking at a seal until it's just dead instead of just putting the lights out after the initial blow, due to past experiences of getting injured by one and having reservations. I know it's a horrible analogy but the only one my limited mind is capable of right now

I actually think alot of people here want to get behind Wlad, because he has the tools to be an exciting heavyweight, yet gives off more the air of one who more increasingly has become timid. Or they just like pissing you off

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Marching Towards the Abyss...............

Some people might read that and think I'm nothing more than a joker.

You need to understand that you only get three wishes. If you are not thorough in your requests any self-respecting genie will trick you into using all three on the same wish.

First you wish him alive but he is still lying in his grave. So you wish him above ground and he is 130 years old. You wish him into prime shape and you are standing there with your pockets inside out wondering what the hell just took place.

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I'm with ya... Not only is he taller, longer armed, heavier, he is also Floyd Mayweather.... He's not some tall gangly guy who's got his wins by being some freak of size.. He's the best defensive fighter of the last 20 years. He's faster than anyone at Welterweight. He's undefeated and has defeated some decent opponents. He's at his natural weight.

Size does not always mean a person will win, but to beat Floyd Mayweather, you gotta have at least SOME advantage...

That's what JT is saying and how can anyone not agree...

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