I wish Jack Johnson was alive - Page 5

Jimboogie · #61 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LEGION

Actually my impression is that most on here would respect him more if he got through, win or lose, an all out war.

Yeah, that's right. I mean Wladimir has defined his career with methodical, dominant beat downs. But it would be far more rewarding for him and his legacy if he engaged in one of those fights that are remembered for decades.

So far he's had none of those fights. It's sad that he's loosing efforts are more memorable than his wins.

Ze German's may love him. But then they love the sweet sound of Hasselhoff

hitmandonny · #62 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 09:06 AM

Hunter.
What are you talking about?
The size advantage enjoyed by Klitschko in nearly all of his fights is far greater than that enjoyed by Mayweather at any time in his career so far.
As a matter of fact as a fighter who has climbed weights Floyd is in fact naturally slighther than many opponents.

But that is not the primary difference between Floyd and Wladmir.
Floyd has been in some very entertaining scraps, fights against the likes of Castillo, Augustus and of course Chavez.
Those fights were give and take.

Have you ever seen Klitschko in a fight like that without getting knocked out?

Lyle · #63 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LEGION

Actually my impression is that most on here would respect him more if he got through, win or lose, an all out war.

It kind of goes to your statement in the other post, about people in the end really only wanting to see Wlad lose in the end because they are haters. Me personally; I don't think most members on here really want to see him lose so much as take those risks, especially when he is in a position to do so{and has the skill set}when the fight is all but over and it goes more rounds than necessary. It's kind of like seeing a Great White shark circling and pecking at a seal until it's just dead instead of just putting the lights out after the initial blow, due to past experiences of getting injured by one and having reservations. I know it's a horrible analogy but the only one my limited mind is capable of right now

I actually think alot of people here want to get behind Wlad, because he has the tools to be an exciting heavyweight, yet gives off more the air of one who more increasingly has become timid. Or they just like pissing you off

Well I hate to disagree with your impression but there are a few guys who just won't accept Wladimir as champion and oddly enough some of those people were fans of a certain "pugilist specialist" at heavyweight who also had every physical advantage over his opponent and let's not forget how lackluster Lennox could look, great fighter, great heavyweight but he picked his spots too.

Legion, all I understand "you're as good as your last fight" and all that but Wlad has never gotten respect. He beat the undefeated Sam Peter and people whined and complained about holding and said Sam Peter was a limited fighter. Wlad KO's Chris Byrd, Calvin Brock, Ray Austin, and stops Lamon Brewster back to back to back to back and what respect does he get

It's not as if he was timid in those fights and he gets no props AT ALL.

But hey, you guys just continue on hating and wait for Wlad to lose, it'll be a while

JT Rock · #64 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 11:07 AM

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- Lets look at Floyd's opposition:

Ricky Hatton - Floyd had every advantage over hatton, size, speed, reflexes defense, and what does he do? Floyd feints, and plays keep away while pot shotting hatton for 10 rounds

Baldomir - Floyd had every adavantage over the slow as molasis Baldomir and chose to hang back and just pot shot his way to a decision.

De La Hoya - Again, Floyd had speed and youth on his side and what does he do? he runs the whole fight....

I wonder how Floyd will fight Marquez, who again has has a ton of physical advantages? Is he going to go in and try to knock him out? NO - is he going to fight a defensive fight and pot shot......

Dont dog Wlad for lacking killer instinct when your hero has little if no killer instinct himself.

This is way too easy

CLASS DISMISSED

Really

?

If ignorance is bliss you must be estatic my friend

Floyd enjoys 3-4 inch height advantages over his opponents

Floyd enjoys 5in reach advantages?

Floyd Enjoys 20lb weight advantages over his opponents?

Not to mention PFP Hatton and Delahoya are leagues above anyone Klit has ever fought!!!!

Hatton, Delahoya and Baldomir are all naturally bigger men than Floyd...

I'm with ya... Not only is he taller, longer armed, heavier, he is also Floyd Mayweather.... He's not some tall gangly guy who's got his wins by being some freak of size.. He's the best defensive fighter of the last 20 years. He's faster than anyone at Welterweight. He's undefeated and has defeated some decent opponents. He's at his natural weight.

Size does not always mean a person will win, but to beat Floyd Mayweather, you gotta have at least SOME advantage...

That's what JT is saying and how can anyone not agree...

Hahaha! Actually Dizaster that wasnt written how I intended it

I was pretty much asking when was the last time Floyd enjoyed dramatic sizes in height, reach, power?

He hasnt.

JT Rock · #65 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

Ze German's may love him. But then they love the sweet sound of Hasselhoff

He's got you there Lyle, you really going to use the germans as a measuring stick for entertainment value

David Hasselhoff Get In My Car

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Lyle · #66 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 09:19 AM

Well he's no Mr. Bean

Jimboogie · #67 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well he's no Mr. Bean

What?! Are you mad?

Rowan Atkinson is a Legend.

Lyle · #68 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 10:00 AM

The funny thing is that for a country that prides itself on "subtle humor" it also spawned Rowan Atkinson and Monty Python and Benny Hill....some of the most random silly humor ever.

I will say that ever since InBev took over Budwiser their commercials have been God awful though...but I amuse myself by thinking there is a room where these Fat Cat Belgians are sitting laughing their asses off at the very same commercials.

But back on topic....