Just watched Klit V Chagaev. Man Klit had his hands way out front the whole fight, his feet were about 2 meters apart the whole fight. He was basically doing the absolute least he had to do each round to win the fight. He should have won the fight by round 4 or 5 but that shit with holding the left out front with his legs so far apart shows he was just in it for the W. We need fighters like Jack Johnson who fight to see who is the toughest guy and who will fight anyone. That's what the H/W division needs.

Completely agree.. The Heavyweight division just doesn't have the passion, thirst, personality, meanness & excitement that pretty much every single division in boxing has at least some of.. It really is a dieing division and will take some really special athletes to bring some of the old time glory back to it... It's sad because throughout the non-boxing community, it's the main division that draws the viewers and new fans,,, when it is going good that is... When the casual fan is looking to boxing with the understanding that the Heavyweight division is the pinacle of the sport,,, then currently the whole sport is being let down by this division.. Which is certainly not how it has been in the past...

There was an old Jack Johnson fight on t.v. last night.. He was a freak for his time. A great athlete and drew the crowds like nothing else..

Originally Posted by bikersk

Just watched Klit V Chagaev. Man Klit had his hands way out front the whole fight, his feet were about 2 meters apart the whole fight. He was basically doing the absolute least he had to do each round to win the fight. He should have won the fight by round 4 or 5 but that shit with holding the left out front with his legs so far apart shows he was just in it for the W. We need fighters like Jack Johnson who fight to see who is the toughest guy and who will fight anyone. That's what the H/W division needs.

Really So Jack Johnson was NEVER in it just for the W 72 wins 39 KO's....if anyone phoned it in or wanted to punish someone for an entire fight it was Jack Johnson, he got together with his opponents and planned outcomes for fights.

He went 20 rounds with Frank Moran!


Jack Johnson drew crowds because a lot of white people wanted to see him get beaten

Why would wish a man to wake up in a coffin six feet under ground?

Originally Posted by bikersk

Just watched Klit V Chagaev. Man Klit had his hands way out front the whole fight, his feet were about 2 meters apart the whole fight. He was basically doing the absolute least he had to do each round to win the fight. He should have won the fight by round 4 or 5 but that shit with holding the left out front with his legs so far apart shows he was just in it for the W. We need fighters like Jack Johnson who fight to see who is the toughest guy and who will fight anyone. That's what the H/W division needs.

That's Wlad for you mate.

Wlad is king of the garbage pile.

That is all

Well I guess the move to heavyweight fits David Haye because he is trash....perfect match

Originally Posted by Lyle

Well I guess the move to heavyweight fits David Haye because he is trash....perfect match

David Haye is exciting and electric, Wlad is mundane and dogmatic.

If Haye was outgunning his man by round 2 you best believe he wouldnt throw 1900 jabs sniffing his way thu 6 rounds

I wish Yuri Foreman was a Heavyweight

Originally Posted by Lyle

Well I guess the move to heavyweight fits David Haye because he is trash....perfect match

Why oh why do you always bring Haye up? I'm sick to the back teeth of arguing about a fight that is on and off and then swapping brothers and then changing again. Jack Johnson being more exciting than Wlad is what this thread is about nothing to do with David Haye. If you don't agree then I for one would love to hear your reasons but WTF has it got to do with Haye?

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by Lyle

Well I guess the move to heavyweight fits David Haye because he is trash....perfect match

Why oh why do you always bring Haye up? I'm sick to the back teeth of arguing about a fight that is on and off and then swapping brothers and then changing again. Jack Johnson being more exciting than Wlad is what this thread is about nothing to do with David Haye. If you don't agree then I for one would love to hear your reasons but WTF has it got to do with Haye?

Lyle is just insecure, thats all

People keep slagging off on Wladimir, what does the guy have to do to get some damn credit I'm not going to lay back and accept this bullcrap, you guys look at Jack Johnson and say "he's exciting", Mike Tyson said he fell asleep watching Jack Johnson fights.

Wladimir wins and wins by KO that is all

If you guys like Jack Johnson you should like Wladimir

Originally Posted by Lyle

People keep slagging off on Wladimir, what does the guy have to do to get some damn credit I'm not going to lay back and accept this bullcrap, you guys look at Jack Johnson and say "he's exciting", Mike Tyson said he fell asleep watching Jack Johnson fights.

Wladimir wins and wins by KO that is all

If you guys like Jack Johnson you should like Wladimir

Probably that black and white video that did that. Also Lyle please stop mentioning Haye. At this rate we're gonna have to create you a David Haye board on the forum. Wlad isn't yet comparable with Jack Johnson, who is a true ATG and a far more exciting fighter, however, he doesn't get the credit he deserves, he is an excellent fighter, and deserves more credit than he gets even if he doesn't always use his gifts in the way he should

Originally Posted by Lyle

People keep slagging off on Wladimir, what does the guy have to do to get some damn credit I'm not going to lay back and accept this bullcrap, you guys look at Jack Johnson and say "he's exciting", Mike Tyson said he fell asleep watching Jack Johnson fights.

Wladimir wins and wins by KO that is all

If you guys like Jack Johnson you should like Wladimir

To be fair to Johnson though the footage of him is poor, Wlad doesn't have that excuse. To be honest I quite like Wlad, his boxing fundamentals are all there and if he had his brothers chin and confidence he would be one hell of a fighter. But there lies the problem, he is an intelligent man so he thinks "why risk getting KO'd when I can use my boxing brain and size and 1-2 this guy all night and I either win by an eventual KO or a certain decision". Problem is he is in the entertainment business and not too many find him entertaining.

Originally Posted by bikersk

Just watched Klit V Chagaev. Man Klit had his hands way out front the whole fight, his feet were about 2 meters apart the whole fight. He was basically doing the absolute least he had to do each round to win the fight. He should have won the fight by round 4 or 5 but that shit with holding the left out front with his legs so far apart shows he was just in it for the W. We need fighters like Jack Johnson who fight to see who is the toughest guy and who will fight anyone. That's what the H/W division needs.

Jack Johnson? ROTFLMAO! Either of the Klitchskos would have pounded Johnson into a bloody pile.