Just wondering, because they have manny number one, but most of the time the fighters that have been ranked number 1 have gone to other's divisions and beaten them. RJJ, PERNELL, FLOYD, SHANE. Not once did either of them demand a catch weight.

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Just wondering, because they have manny number one, but most of the time the fighters that have been ranked number 1 have gone to other's divisions and beaten them. RJJ, PERNELL, FLOYD, SHANE. Not once did either of them demand a catch weight.

None of the fights that propelled Pacquiao to the top of most peoples P4P rankings were fought at a catchweight.

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Just wondering, because they have manny number one, but most of the time the fighters that have been ranked number 1 have gone to other's divisions and beaten them. RJJ, PERNELL, FLOYD, SHANE. Not once did either of them demand a catch weight.

None of the fights that propelled Pacquiao to the top of most peoples P4P rankings were fought at a catchweight.

Rightly stated.

Like the fighters you mentioned, Manny has won the title in many divisions.

Aren't P4P Rankings all hypothetical? Why should weight even matter?

I think Pac should still be #1 p4p with the demanding of catchweights. I just don't think its even close to sensible for a weightclass title to be on the line when his team is demanding a catchweight for a title. That is a shenanigan that further sets boxing back. But what I do think this demanding of catchweights does is question his confidence and tarnish credibility. The all time greats went directly to the weight classes and fought the best in it. They never tried to gain an advantage by squeezing the bigger guy down to a weight determined by their team. If Pac's team was asking a small welterweight to a catchweight then thats reasonable. But they are going completely opposite. Roach has admitted his tactic by saying PBF is the only welterweight he would let Pac fight at 147 and that Mosley and Cotto have to meet at a catchweight. Leonard was way smaller than Hagler. He went to his weight class. That is all time greatness the fans want to see.

The catchweights are bullshit.

Theres no two ways about it.

Originally Posted by Hulk

The catchweights are bullshit.

Theres no two ways about it.

I agree with that, but the fact that's he's demanding catchweights right now has no bearing on the fights that led to him being the #1 P4P fighter.

Originally Posted by Hulk

The catchweights are bullshit.

Theres no two ways about it.

Why is there so much hate about catchweights?

I mean what's important is that the best fighters face each other, and do so at the weight that is healthiest for both of them?

The alphabet belts and even weights divisions don't mean anything in the great scheme of things, both are creations of man to help give the sport a sense of order but they are nothing more than that.

If Manny was to fight and beat Miguel Cotto at 143 for example it would make no difference at all to the merit of the win than were it fought at 140 or 147 imo.

They are still fighting each other, and 143 would be the best compromise.

We shouldn't let entirely man made organisational constructs like weight divisions and belts get in the way of making the best fights.

That's just letting beaurocracy blind your senses and stopping you from enjoying the great fights.

What matters in boxing is the best fighters fighting the best fighters. Belts and weight classes are there to help organise that process and provide a structure but they shouldn't supersede the main goal of putting on the best fights.

Well its not pac that is yet schedule for a catchweight fight, the p4p #2 and former #1 is. Floyd and jmm is at a catchweight already scheduled. the question should be...can someone who claims to be p4p #1 g.o.a.t fight at a catchweight below his division to fight a fighter 2-3 division below?

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Just wondering, because they have manny number one, but most of the time the fighters that have been ranked number 1 have gone to other's divisions and beaten them. RJJ, PERNELL, FLOYD, SHANE. Not once did either of them demand a catch weight.

Plus have any of those other p4p guys ever gone up in weight as much as pac?



I didnt think so.

catchweights have nothing to do with p4p rankings.

I have no problem with fighters that agree with each other fighting at whatever weight. As brought up before my only problem is the title that's on the line.

Manny never fought at catchweight though.

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Just wondering, because they have manny number one, but most of the time the fighters that have been ranked number 1 have gone to other's divisions and beaten them. RJJ, PERNELL, FLOYD, SHANE. Not once did either of them demand a catch weight.

Plus have any of those other p4p guys ever gone up in weight as much as pac?



I didnt think so.

Weight or weight class? Because Jones went from JMW to HW..that's plus 40 pounds..

Manny went from 106 to 145 that's 39lbs

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Just wondering, because they have manny number one, but most of the time the fighters that have been ranked number 1 have gone to other's divisions and beaten them. RJJ, PERNELL, FLOYD, SHANE. Not once did either of them demand a catch weight.

Two things
1) Floyd, RJJ, Pernell, and Shane never went up as many weightclasses as Manny has, and to this point Manny hasn't foughten anyone at a catch weight.

Originally Posted by blegit

I think Pac should still be #1 p4p with the demanding of catchweights. I just don't think its even close to sensible for a weightclass title to be on the line when his team is demanding a catchweight for a title. That is a shenanigan that further sets boxing back. But what I do think this demanding of catchweights does is question his confidence and tarnish credibility. The all time greats went directly to the weight classes and fought the best in it. They never tried to gain an advantage by squeezing the bigger guy down to a weight determined by their team. If Pac's team was asking a small welterweight to a catchweight then thats reasonable. But they are going completely opposite. Roach has admitted his tactic by saying PBF is the only welterweight he would let Pac fight at 147 and that Mosley and Cotto have to meet at a catchweight. Leonard was way smaller than Hagler. He went to his weight class. That is all time greatness the fans want to see.

You mean the same Leonard that demanded Donny Lalonde to fight at 168 for his LHW title. That Leonard? How about JCC demanding Whitaker fight at a catchweight of 145 for his WBC ww title? Or how about Oscar demanding a 39 year old Hopkins come in at 158 for his MW titles? I thought you said the all time greats didn't demand catchweights?

Pacman isn't the first to demand catchweights, and there isn't any story out there saying that the WW titles are on the line.