yup, pac gotta beat cotto first before we even start talking floyd.

speed kills. Mayweather's only saving grace is his speed. If he didn't have twice the speed of every other boxer he would have been ko'd long ago.

That's all it takes, though.

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

what was it that you saw, that was suprising in this fight? to base your new (or not new) oppinion pac has no chance now against floyd?

Plus you know you saying pac has no chance just sealed the ko win for pac against floyd.

Did you not see the fight? It's pretty obvious the different level in skills Mayweather has. Pacquiao is fast. Mayweather is faster. Marquez can deal with Pac. But not with Mayweather. I don't see what Pac has that would trouble Mayweather. Pacquiao has looked great recently. But that's cuz he faced 3 fighters (Diaz, De La Hoya and Hatton) who couldn't hit him. You think Mayweather will have that same problem?

you didnt answer my question.

Coming into the fight everyone know it was a handicap match. a welterweight vs a lightweight, majority knew jmm would get dominated. Nothing suprising.

Pac has faced three guys who couldnt hit him, Diaz de la hoya and hatton. 2 out of 3 of those results shocked the world. I dont think floyd would have the same trouble hitting pac, Juan Diaz and Casa had no trouble hitting JMM either but did they win?

And fighting a fighter who was weight drained and fighting in a division he hadn't fought in, in over 7 years not a handicap fight in Pac's favor? Only difference is that De La Hoya's condition wasn't public knowledge. But in reality, De La Hoya wasnt a threat. Roach said it himself. The Marquez that fought today beats the De La Hoya, Pacquiao beat.

Pacquiao has improved as a fighter. But not as much as everybody thinks he has. It just looks like he's greatly improved cuz of his non-threating opposition. Mayweather will bring an end to his little charade.

I'm a big Pacquiao fan but I can't see him beating Mayweather. I think that fight will be all about distance. Mayweather won't lead against Pacquiao like he did against Marqeuz because Pacquiao is the kind of fighter who will bite down and take a shot to land one and has the speed in combination punching to actually challenge Mayweather in exchanges. Mayweather will just jab and move and a frustrated Pacquiao will begine to lunge. He'll suprise Mayweather early and will catch him a few times later on but eventually Mayweather will start timing his lunges. Pacquiao doesn't have the jab to close the gap it's just a little flick from the elbow he uses to hit orthodox fighters left glove to set up his straight left. It'll be the two Marquez fights all over again except he isn't fighting a Mexican. He's fighting a guy who doesn't give a fuck about being macho in the ring and won't get himself into exchanges.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

I agree. Although I basically thought the same before watching Marquez get schooled. No-one can give Mayweather a height and reach advantage. Impossible.

Originally Posted by snakey

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

I agree and have been saying this for a while. Pac may beat guys like dela hoya and hatton but they are no floyd mayweather. Floyd has awesome defence and power is a massive part of pacs game plan. Hes gotta be able to hurt you to win and to do that you have to hit cleanly which will be something he cant and wont do against mayweather.

You touched on it here Snakey, Pac is awesome against someone that will charge forward head first like Hatton and De La Hoya (because he didn't think Pac could hurt him) did, but when he gets put in with a good counter puncher (Marquez) he struggles like hell. Well Mayweather is the greatest counter puncher in the world and is way faster than Marquez and has the perfect defence for a boxer. My view for this fight would be a stoppage win for Mayweather, Pac would get hit all night long and be pot shotted into a stoppage!

Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

speed kills. Mayweather's only saving grace is his speed. If he didn't have twice the speed of every other boxer he would have been ko'd long ago.

WTF What about his defensive prowess? What about his unreal timing? What about his ability to adapt to an opponent even when he seems like he may be in for a fight early on like against Oscar? What about the fact that when he has taken shots (he took a couple last night and took some good ones against De La Hoya) he doesn't look at all fazed. His Dad had one of the best chins I've ever seen and I think PBF has inherited that!

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

I totaly agree with this one VD. I say PBF even KO's Pac comin in.... No sweat for mayweather. To be honest, i'm convinced that Cotto is gonna end the PAC train anyhow so i guess we'll see.....

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Mighty mega Manny had better focus on Cotto .

Totally agree! I think Cotto is gonna batter him tbh

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Mighty mega Manny had better focus on Cotto .

Totally agree! I think Cotto is gonna batter him tbh

I think that one has the making of FOTY!

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

Good post but I have one word for you!


Cotto! The elephant in the room! We will have a better indication 1 month from now

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

Your probably right, it makes me wonder though, if Pac never moved up and beat DLH and Hatton and Marquez was not willing to move up, would Floyd have still come back? and who would he have fought?

These little guys moving up are a god send for Floyd

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Did you not see the fight? It's pretty obvious the different level in skills Mayweather has. Pacquiao is fast. Mayweather is faster. Marquez can deal with Pac. But not with Mayweather. I don't see what Pac has that would trouble Mayweather. Pacquiao has looked great recently. But that's cuz he faced 3 fighters (Diaz, De La Hoya and Hatton) who couldn't hit him. You think Mayweather will have that same problem?

you didnt answer my question.

Coming into the fight everyone know it was a handicap match. a welterweight vs a lightweight, majority knew jmm would get dominated. Nothing suprising.

Pac has faced three guys who couldnt hit him, Diaz de la hoya and hatton. 2 out of 3 of those results shocked the world. I dont think floyd would have the same trouble hitting pac, Juan Diaz and Casa had no trouble hitting JMM either but did they win?

I somewhat agree with Julius on this. Speed and skillwise, Mayweather dominated Marquez but there is also a very important factor here that needs to be considered seriously: Mayweather's WEIGHT!!!. Marquez was like bulldozing a mountain. He could not hurt Mayweather and that's the reason Mayweather was potshotting him.

Great win for Mayweather though.

How was Mayweather's weight an important factor? he didn't use his weight,
Marquez couldn't hurt him because he couldn't land against him, Floyd could have come in at any weight and he still would have won.He doesn't use his weight as a weapon ie Hatton ect. he uses his speed and skills

Originally Posted by Phil

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

you didnt answer my question.

Coming into the fight everyone know it was a handicap match. a welterweight vs a lightweight, majority knew jmm would get dominated. Nothing suprising.

Pac has faced three guys who couldnt hit him, Diaz de la hoya and hatton. 2 out of 3 of those results shocked the world. I dont think floyd would have the same trouble hitting pac, Juan Diaz and Casa had no trouble hitting JMM either but did they win?

I somewhat agree with Julius on this. Speed and skillwise, Mayweather dominated Marquez but there is also a very important factor here that needs to be considered seriously: Mayweather's WEIGHT!!!. Marquez was like bulldozing a mountain. He could not hurt Mayweather and that's the reason Mayweather was potshotting him.

Great win for Mayweather though.

How was Mayweather's weight an important factor? he didn't use his weight,
Marquez couldn't hurt him because he couldn't land against him, Floyd could have come in at any weight and he still would have won.He doesn't use his weight as a weapon ie Hatton ect. he uses his speed and skills

Not sure about that mate - Getting hit by a guy that much bigger for 12 roiunds is gonna take it's toll. Marquez would've felt that strength every single time he got hit