Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by Phil

Originally Posted by brucelee

I somewhat agree with Julius on this. Speed and skillwise, Mayweather dominated Marquez but there is also a very important factor here that needs to be considered seriously: Mayweather's WEIGHT!!!. Marquez was like bulldozing a mountain. He could not hurt Mayweather and that's the reason Mayweather was potshotting him.

Great win for Mayweather though.

How was Mayweather's weight an important factor? he didn't use his weight,
Marquez couldn't hurt him because he couldn't land against him, Floyd could have come in at any weight and he still would have won.He doesn't use his weight as a weapon ie Hatton ect. he uses his speed and skills

Not sure about that mate - Getting hit by a guy that much bigger for 12 roiunds is gonna take it's toll. Marquez would've felt that strength every single time he got hit

ok its going to take its toll alright, but if he had no power in his shots he still would have won easily because at the end of the day Marquez just couldn't get through his defence, I don't think the 2 lbs over he came in at made any difference.

I disagree.

The problem with Marquez tonight was that he was clearly too small and too slow to deal with the natural bigger, stronger, faster fighter.

Marquez shouldn't be anywhere near 147 and it showed last night, the difference in handspeed was alot more than i expected. Marquez was clearly slower than normal in that department.

Pacquiao on other hand, can fight effectively at 147 and maintain his speed, power, etc.

With Pacquiao' speed and southpaw style, he should be able to cause Mayweather some problems, especially more than what Marquez caused anyway.

I would still pick Mayweather to win though.

When the time comes that the Pacquiao vs Mayweather Jr fight come before us, would Lil' Floyd Jr. be able to employ his brand of style with ease?

Would he be able to have that left hand cocked so very low against Pacquiao, who owns the very active, powerful, and a muti-faceted right hand, and considered one of the better ones in the business?

I believe the change from a familiar strategy on Floyd's part will play a big role in the dynamics of this dream match. To think and obviously without depth, that it will be an easy fight for Floyd Jr. is ill-advised.

It will be a very competitive fight, cause we must remember, Manny Pacquiao is a legitimate light-welterweight. He could be still be wanting as a full-blown welterweight, but he represents to Floyd someone with size and speed, and with skill not too inferior to that of his' to boot.

To say that Marquez has done better than Pacquiao will ever do against Floyd Mayweather Jr., is another notch won by the futility of all the "IF" scenarios that many of us dwell upon and relish questionably, from its sheer foolishness.

Based on last night, I too think Pac-man would be NO match for Floyd. The fight I want to see is Mosley-Mayweather. If Floyd fought and beat Shane, I would never question him again.

I agree with VD - At this point I think Pac would take a beating from Mayweather.....Mayweather is just to smart, has great defense (part of this is he doesnt take risks), and is blazing fast.....Pac would leave himself open and get peppered from the outset......

I would root for the pacman but cant see him winning this one. I think Mayweather even roughs up Mosley and Cotto.....Mosley would probably give him the best fight but Floyd is a dam good pure boxer....

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

speed kills. Mayweather's only saving grace is his speed. If he didn't have twice the speed of every other boxer he would have been ko'd long ago.

WTF What about his defensive prowess? What about his unreal timing? What about his ability to adapt to an opponent even when he seems like he may be in for a fight early on like against Oscar? What about the fact that when he has taken shots (he took a couple last night and took some good ones against De La Hoya) he doesn't look at all fazed. His Dad had one of the best chins I've ever seen and I think PBF has inherited that!

His defence looks great because he has twice the speed of his opponents. If he didn't have that speed his defence wouldn't look so good because he would be hit with at least 400 punches per fight. Since his speed is that great, he's lucky to get hit with 100 punches per fight. His speed is keeping him from being hit. Therefore his defence wouldn't work as good without the speed.

I find it hard to pick anybody against Mayweather, he's a douche but he's an amazing fighter. But Pacquaio presents different challenges for Mayweather.

He's at least as fast and you've got to be fast against Floyd, but probably more importantly he's got the footwork and footspeed to cause Floyd problems. He doesn't have to his feet set to punch, which is such an underrated thing when going up against guys like Mayweather and Hopkins, and he's got the footspeed to get in and out against Mayweather. In contrast, JMM's footwork and footspeed caused Floyd NO problems. This is very important and nobody ever talks about it. Hatton's footspeed allowed him to get inside on Floyd but Floyd beat him up because he was stronger and a better in fighter. Manny can get in but he won't languish there, he'll get in and get out.

Finally, and this is disregarding Manny's power which you shouldn't do, he's a southpaw and he throws punches from odd angles at times, which is much tougher than a righty because Floyd's defense is set up for right handers, he keeps the right hand up to block left hooks and rolls his shoulder to block right hands, this is thrown off by southpaws and the Mayweather camp has always freely admitted they didn't love him fighting southpaws.

Manny's got a much better chance to win. He also, because he'll FORCE Floyd to open up more, has a better chance of getting KO'd than JMM did. I still haven't made my pick. I've never given serious consideration to Floyd losing so that's something.

Floyd's speed isn't the only reason for his defensive success. He's got fantastic defensive fundamentals. Better than other super athletic guys like Roy.

Originally Posted by themacmagician

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

I totaly agree with this one VD. I say PBF even KO's Pac comin in.... No sweat for mayweather. To be honest, i'm convinced that Cotto is gonna end the PAC train anyhow so i guess we'll see.....

I got Cotto taking him too.

Originally Posted by OumaFan

I find it hard to pick anybody against Mayweather, he's a douche but he's an amazing fighter. But Pacquaio presents different challenges for Mayweather.

He's at least as fast and you've got to be fast against Floyd, but probably more importantly he's got the footwork and footspeed to cause Floyd problems. He doesn't have to his feet set to punch, which is such an underrated thing when going up against guys like Mayweather and Hopkins, and he's got the footspeed to get in and out against Mayweather. In contrast, JMM's footwork and footspeed caused Floyd NO problems. This is very important and nobody ever talks about it. Hatton's footspeed allowed him to get inside on Floyd but Floyd beat him up because he was stronger and a better in fighter. Manny can get in but he won't languish there, he'll get in and get out.

Finally, and this is disregarding Manny's power which you shouldn't do, he's a southpaw and he throws punches from odd angles at times, which is much tougher than a righty because Floyd's defense is set up for right handers, he keeps the right hand up to block left hooks and rolls his shoulder to block right hands, this is thrown off by southpaws and the Mayweather camp has always freely admitted they didn't love him fighting southpaws.

Manny's got a much better chance to win. He also, because he'll FORCE Floyd to open up more, has a better chance of getting KO'd than JMM did. I still haven't made my pick. I've never given serious consideration to Floyd losing so that's something.

Despite that great foot speed, Pacquiao still gets himself off balance plenty of times. And that's a huge mistake against somebody with Mayweathers speed. He'll make him pay every single time. Mayweather has the power to stop Pacquiao

Originally Posted by Phil

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

you didnt answer my question.

Coming into the fight everyone know it was a handicap match. a welterweight vs a lightweight, majority knew jmm would get dominated. Nothing suprising.

Pac has faced three guys who couldnt hit him, Diaz de la hoya and hatton. 2 out of 3 of those results shocked the world. I dont think floyd would have the same trouble hitting pac, Juan Diaz and Casa had no trouble hitting JMM either but did they win?

I somewhat agree with Julius on this. Speed and skillwise, Mayweather dominated Marquez but there is also a very important factor here that needs to be considered seriously: Mayweather's WEIGHT!!!. Marquez was like bulldozing a mountain. He could not hurt Mayweather and that's the reason Mayweather was potshotting him.

Great win for Mayweather though.

How was Mayweather's weight an important factor? he didn't use his weight,
Marquez couldn't hurt him because he couldn't land against him, Floyd could have come in at any weight and he still would have won.He doesn't use his weight as a weapon ie Hatton ect. he uses his speed and skills

Really? Then maybe he should have gone down to 135 or 130. He couldn't be arsed to make 144!

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

Seeing last night's fight has to give Pac and his camp some second thoughts about how much they want to fight Mayweather.

However, I do think Pacquiao would be more competitive than Marquez was. Pacquiao has much more speed and explosion than Marquez, and Floyd has always had a bit more trouble with southpaws than conventional fighters. When Floyd faces conventional guys, he sees every punch coming a mile away and always knows how to react. Whereas guys like Corley have actually managed to land some hard flush punches against Floyd out of the southpaw stance.

And Marquez was completely uncomfortable trying to play the role of the aggressor, while Manny wouldn't be.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

I think Arum will be wanting Floyd to fight Mosley now and take whatever punishment Mosley can inflict on him before he fights Manny. I'm sure they'll make Floyd Manny eventually but I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd Mosley happens first. Manny isn't as fast as No Money, it's the number-one potential grossing fight but another easy win for Floyd. Floyd Mosley will be a less easy win for Floyd.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

Seeing last night's fight has to give Pac and his camp some second thoughts about how much they want to fight Mayweather.

However, I do think Pacquiao would be more competitive than Marquez was. Pacquiao has much more speed and explosion than Marquez, and Floyd has always had a bit more trouble with southpaws than conventional fighters. When Floyd faces conventional guys, he sees every punch coming a mile away and always knows how to react. Whereas guys like Corley have actually managed to land some hard flush punches against Floyd out of the southpaw stance.

And Marquez was completely uncomfortable trying to play the role of the aggressor, while Manny wouldn't be.

Mayweather still outlanded Corley 283-150. And landed over 50% of his punches in every round. He can handle southpaws.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on his dominate win over the great Marquez, I can't see how Pacquiao would even have a chance against Mayweather. It's not the fact that Mayweather won. It's the way he won. Pacquiao, despite being more control now than he was in the past is still a reckless fighter compared to Marquez. Mayweather would have a field day with him. Pacquiao would get himself off balanced and Mayweather would make him pay every time. Mayweather-Pacquiao would really be more lopsided than Mayweather-Marquez was

Seeing last night's fight has to give Pac and his camp some second thoughts about how much they want to fight Mayweather.

However, I do think Pacquiao would be more competitive than Marquez was. Pacquiao has much more speed and explosion than Marquez, and Floyd has always had a bit more trouble with southpaws than conventional fighters. When Floyd faces conventional guys, he sees every punch coming a mile away and always knows how to react. Whereas guys like Corley have actually managed to land some hard flush punches against Floyd out of the southpaw stance.

And Marquez was completely uncomfortable trying to play the role of the aggressor, while Manny wouldn't be.

Mayweather still outlanded Corley 283-150. And landed over 50% of his punches in every round. He can handle southpaws.

I never said he couldn't handle southpaws or that he couldn't land plenty of punches against them.

I'm saying that in the past, there have been a few occasions where he's been hit by some clean hard punches by southpaws that he never gets hit with against righties.

And Pacquiao is a much better offensive fighter and more dangerous puncher than guys like Corley and Judah.