Shogun beat Lyoto...

He fought in retreat, making Lyoto pursue him- taking the Dragon out of his comfort zone...
Countered well with leg kicks, limiting Lyotos movement....

Its was beautiful!

A crying shame the judges refused to recognise this!

The fight was difficult to judge. Lyoto was hitting Shogun in the face and shogun was hitting Lyoto with kicks in the body and legs. The commentators were focusing on Shogun's kicks but not on the way Lyoto was hitting Shogun in the face. Shogun was almost KOed many times (2 to 3 times,IMO).

I give the fight to Lyoto 3-2 because Shogun was not convincing enough, IMO.

Originally Posted by brucelee

The fight was difficult to judge. Lyoto was hitting Shogun in the face and shogun was hitting Lyoto with kicks in the body and legs. The commentators were focusing on Shogun's kicks but not on the way Lyoto was hitting Shogun in the face. Shogun was almost KOed many times (2 to 3 times,IMO).

I give the fight to Lyoto 3-2 because Shogun was not convincing enough, IMO.

You and I must have watched two differenet fights. I never saw either fighter ever in danger of being KO'd

Originally Posted by VanChilds

Originally Posted by brucelee

The fight was difficult to judge. Lyoto was hitting Shogun in the face and shogun was hitting Lyoto with kicks in the body and legs. The commentators were focusing on Shogun's kicks but not on the way Lyoto was hitting Shogun in the face. Shogun was almost KOed many times (2 to 3 times,IMO).

I give the fight to Lyoto 3-2 because Shogun was not convincing enough, IMO.

You and I must have watched two differenet fights. I never saw either fighter ever in danger of being KO'd

I agree, i did think that machida was definitely showing the signs of slowing down from those brutal leg kicks.

Machida isn't prepared for someone to start attacking his body apparently. He is all for head movement but when someone starts kicking those legs and the body, stuff you can't move, especially someone that hits as hard as Shogun, he's in trouble. Love it. Because most people that have explosive power go for the chin only, So its refreshing to see someone actually take it to all parts of the body.

Originally Posted by snakey

Originally Posted by bikersk

Yeah it seemed that Shogun landed ok but Machida made the fight at the start and was not too troubled. However i can see how it would seem to be a a tough loss for Shogun. The only thing I can see in Machidas favour is that Shogun did well but was not dominant in the way you would need to take a title off a champ. Having said that I expected a Shogun victory though at the end of the fight.

See i disagree with that logic, this whole you have to take it off the champ bullshit. If you win the fight, you should win the fight...it doesnt say in the rule book that in title fights that you have to even more then what you would usually have to do to win. Its a fucked up mindset and its that mindset that causes robberies in boxing and MMA. It needs to go.

Yeah I know what you are saying. I thought Shogun won, was just repeating what the commentators were saying.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Shogun beat Lyoto...

He fought in retreat, making Lyoto pursue him- taking the Dragon out of his comfort zone...
Countered well with leg kicks, limiting Lyotos movement....

Its was beautiful!

A crying shame the judges refused to recognise this!

That's how I saw it too; Shogun pressed the fight, landed the cleaner shots and counter-attacked beautifully, I think he deserves the fight too and I am a bit surprised that Machida, no matter how of a good guy and great fighter he is, won that one 3-2. Hopefully there will be a rematch.

I haven't seen it yet, but have been told that it is much closer when watched on Mute without Joe Rogan's commentary

joe rogan was clearly hugging shoguns balls lyoto threw and landed a flurry then shogun landed only one punch and joe was like "shogun is beating lyoto!"

shogun almost got kod too, its hard to see in MMA but even a jab can buckle a fighters knees. remember they are using 4 oz gloves with very little padidng.

but i still think shogun edged lyoto a bit.

Originally Posted by BIG H

I haven't seen it yet, but have been told that it is much closer when watched on Mute without Joe Rogan's commentary

World of Combat » Mixed Martial Arts ( MMA ) News Training and Videos the fight is online over there but Rustube seems have problems at the moment, should work fine later.

Originally Posted by Nameless

Originally Posted by BIG H

I haven't seen it yet, but have been told that it is much closer when watched on Mute without Joe Rogan's commentary

World of Combat � Mixed Martial Arts ( MMA ) News Training and Videos the fight is online over there but Rustube seems have problems at the moment, should work fine later.

Cheers mate

Originally Posted by mnmc10

joe rogan was clearly hugging shoguns balls lyoto threw and landed a flurry then shogun landed only one punch and joe was like "shogun is beating lyoto!"

shogun almost got kod too, its hard to see in MMA but even a jab can buckle a fighters knees. remember they are using 4 oz gloves with very little padidng.

but i still think shogun edged lyoto a bit.

We have similar observations. I really thought shogun would go down in one of those shots in the head.

Shogun did neutralize the speed of Lyoto but that was not enough to win the belt.The fight was so close that I have no problem giving it to shogun.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Shogun beat Lyoto...

He fought in retreat, making Lyoto pursue him- taking the Dragon out of his comfort zone...
Countered well with leg kicks, limiting Lyotos movement....

Its was beautiful!

A crying shame the judges refused to recognise this!

#1 Machida usually fights in retreat
#2 He used the kicks well but never followed up, never pressed his advantage

Machida obviously was thrown off by Rua's gameplan which was different than Rua's usual style.

I think all this coupled with Lyoto seemingly not having his "A game" that night will get blown out of proportion and in a rematch Lyoto will mess up Rua.

the fight wasn't difficult to judge, any person giving Lyoto the match or even the draw should seriously learn how to score fights.
Besides thaht, even Dana thought it was all Shogun way, it was so obvious.

Lyoto has no solutions against Shogun...who really fought a perfect fight.

simply a robbery, I can't wait the rematch

Originally Posted by Lyle

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Shogun beat Lyoto...

He fought in retreat, making Lyoto pursue him- taking the Dragon out of his comfort zone...
Countered well with leg kicks, limiting Lyotos movement....

Its was beautiful!

A crying shame the judges refused to recognise this!

#1 Machida usually fights in retreat
#2 He used the kicks well but never followed up, never pressed his advantage

Machida obviously was thrown off by Rua's gameplan which was different than Rua's usual style.

I think all this coupled with Lyoto seemingly not having his "A game" that night will get blown out of proportion and in a rematch Lyoto will mess up Rua.

Agreed.

I think Rua did enough to keep it a close fight but didnt follow up enough to win the match. Lyoto was catching rua with just as much if not a little more.

Anybody calling it a robbery is delusional.