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    Default is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    give me ur thoughts. this guy's the smoothest (along with eubank) british boxer i've ever seen along with a complex skillset.

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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    Quote Originally Posted by sumkalambay View Post
    give me ur thoughts. this guy's the smoothest (along with eubank) british boxer i've ever seen along with a complex skillset.
    Along with Eubank ?? are you mad , John Conteh was a wonderful tactical fighter , EUBANK was cruder than an Irish navvy at dinner with the vicar!! They are not even close to being alike , Eubank used to knock the ring lights down his right hand was so telegraphed.
    As for Conteh , he was top draw , but like so many , he suffered from brittle hands.
    Eubank had an amazing chin , but was not a smooth boxer.
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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    Although I respect Eubank greatly, Mr Conteh was a diffrent level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumkalambay View Post
    give me ur thoughts. this guy's the smoothest (along with eubank) british boxer i've ever seen along with a complex skillset.
    I agree with Dark Lord Al somewhat, never really considered Chris Eubank a really good boxer. He had amazing mental toughness, a great chin, and underrated power.

    At times Chris Eubank would look very awkward and sloppy, he did show some good boxing skills against Henry Whaton, Carl Thompson 1, but overall i don't consider him to be on John Conteh's level regarding boxing skills.

    John Conteh before he become a one handed fighter because of hand troubles, was a great boxer that seemed to have it all. Good footwork, smooth skills, combinations, great left jab, good left hook.

    What amazed me though is when he was past his prime, he beat Yaqui Lopez handily just using his left jab alone. And basically beat up on Matthew Saad Muhammad with one hand aswell, despite getting floored a few times. He probably did still deserve the nod, and lets not forget the controversy regarding the stuff they put on Matthew Saad Muhammad's swelling, which was banned i believe.

    Overall John Conteh was a great fighter, and one of the most talented British fighters of all time.

    Other British fighters who i feel were talented.

    Kirkland Laing
    Herol Graham
    Michael Watson
    Paul Jones

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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sumkalambay View Post
    give me ur thoughts. this guy's the smoothest (along with eubank) british boxer i've ever seen along with a complex skillset.
    I agree with Dark Lord Al somewhat, never really considered Chris Eubank a really good boxer. He had amazing mental toughness, a great chin, and underrated power.

    At times Chris Eubank would look very awkward and sloppy, he did show some good boxing skills against Henry Whaton, Carl Thompson 1, but overall i don't consider him to be on John Conteh's level regarding boxing skills.

    John Conteh before he become a one handed fighter because of hand troubles, was a great boxer that seemed to have it all. Good footwork, smooth skills, combinations, great left jab, good left hook.

    What amazed me though is when he was past his prime, he beat Yaqui Lopez handily just using his left jab alone. And basically beat up on Matthew Saad Muhammad with one hand aswell, despite getting floored a few times. He probably did still deserve the nod, and lets not forget the controversy regarding the stuff they put on Matthew Saad Muhammad's swelling, which was banned i believe.

    Overall John Conteh was a great fighter, and one of the most talented British fighters of all time.

    Other British fighters who i feel were talented.

    Kirkland Laing
    Herol Graham
    Michael Watson
    Paul Jones
    Yeh Graham had it all apart from a chin. Laing was a huge waste! Watson I would say was more heart and application than natural talent. Silky Jones is a name you don't hear often I remember him winning the WBO strap against Verno Philips years ago lol

    Another huge talent imo was Paul Hodkinson, his 2 fights with Villisana were awesome, but he was too prone to bruising. Loved watching that guy

    Back to the question - Conteh was ace, but ruined by his hands (as everybody has said) Not the most talented British fighter imo though, but he's up there
    Last edited by BIG H; 10-27-2009 at 02:11 PM.

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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    Well I know when I first read the title to this thread the first man that came into my head was Randy Turpin, but really, he produced the greatest upset over SRR, and then beat some very good fighters like Don Cockel. But reall for me that does not warrant the most talented british fighter.

    As for John Conteh yes he was good but to me fell short of my vote by a long way and to be honest I think there are a few brits between them including Hamed, Lewis and that annoying little shit Jim Watt.

    My vote though goes to Joe Calzaghe. I don't always perhaps give him the credit he deserves but he is IMO the greatest Brit of them all, I just wish he'd have taken Jones in 2002 when he was offered the fight. He would not have retired undefeated then, but if he could have come back from defeat and then have the same career with the wins against Lacy, Kessler and an old Hopkins it would have shown him to be even more of a great than he is regarded as now.

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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    Nobody has mentioned Ken Buchanan yet

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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Nobody has mentioned Ken Buchanan yet
    I was thinking of Buchanan when I said there were a few between my choice and Conteh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Nobody has mentioned Ken Buchanan yet
    Haven't seen much of him there isn't much footage of him is there ? but yes for certain a great boxer and he slipped my mind totally.

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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    I was always a fan of Dave McAuley his battles with Fidel Bassa ,his win over Duke McKenzie and his easy win over Jake Matlala proved he was a very good fighter. Both Duke and Jake went on to win some important fights .
    Not a great by any means but a very good fighter.
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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    ken buchanan
    john conteh-when he wasnt gargling and riding other peoples wives
    howard winstone
    barry mc guigan
    jimmy wilde
    benny lynch

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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    chris eubank a crude fighter?? are you kidding?? he had some of the smoothest upper body movement i've seen at SMW(none of which you see from current fighters) and against the right kind of opponent he'd look like an extremely smooth technician. he sucked being the aggressor and looked sloppy at times, but otherwise he was a smooth technician.

    btw i meant conteh was the most skilled boxer i've seen from britain and one of the better technicians to have fought in the LHW division.

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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    Joe Galzaghe has natural boxing skill and also suffered from bad hands. Turpin was skilled if he beat SRR.
    Tommy Farr went to points with Joe Louis.
    Lennox was very talented.
    Errol Christie was talented and skill full.
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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    In terms of "talent" I'd say Naseem Hamed. He had the most "talent" he just lacked everywhere else. But talent-wise he had it all, fast hands, devastating power, great reflexes, flashy style, charisma whether loved or hated. So in terms of "talent" id say Hamed is in the top and above John Conteh.

    Also Eubank you have to list, Turpin, a lot of British, Herol Graham, all rank above John Conteh.

    So to me, Hamed, Eubank, Buchanan and Herol Graham and Lennox Lewis are above John in terms of talent natural talent. Some of them took great advantage over their talent(Eubank, Lewis, Graham to an extent) while others didn't achieve as high as they could (Hamed). However the level of 'talent" is unquestionable.
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    Default Re: is John Conteh the most talented British boxer ever??

    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    In terms of "talent" I'd say Naseem Hamed. He had the most "talent" he just lacked everywhere else. But talent-wise he had it all, fast hands, devastating power, great reflexes, flashy style, charisma whether loved or hated. So in terms of "talent" id say Hamed is in the top and above John Conteh.

    Also Eubank you have to list, Turpin, a lot of British, Herol Graham, all rank above John Conteh.

    So to me, Hamed, Eubank, Buchanan and Herol Graham and Lennox Lewis are above John in terms of talent natural talent. Some of them took great advantage over their talent(Eubank, Lewis, Graham to an extent) while others didn't achieve as high as they could (Hamed). However the level of 'talent" is unquestionable.
    ur talking about athleticism there... hamed was certainly explosive, graham prolly the slickest to come out of britain and buchanan with his quick feet.. but none of them had conteh's technical skills, buchanan comes close but he had some serious issues with his technique.

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