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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    I think the biggest danger for Haye in this fight is him running out of steam in the latter rounds and getting stopped.


    I am sure Valuev's team will know the most likely tactics Haye will use(hit and move) and have got there man working on cuting down the ring and forcing Haye to fight at a pace he is not comfortable with by walking him down.


    I voted for Haye and I hope he wins but would not be supprised to see the big Russian win.
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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    I think Hairy Beast will knockout Haye. There are 2 scenarios that could happen and that is Valuev coming out guns blazing and catches a surprised Haye early or he uses his height and weight and wears down Haye for a late round ko. Either way Sasquatch wins it.

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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    I’m not a Haye fan but I really, really hope he’ll send “Bigfoot” into retirement.

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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    I went Haye, but if Valuev starts leaning on him it's gonna go very bad in the mid-rounds.

    Hey Fens what are odds of Valuev falling through the canvas if he gets knocked down?

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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    Haye
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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    I'm not a David Haye fan by any stetch but come on Valuev is absolutely fucking garbage.

    Ok so he's a big guy and his chin may be solid but Haye should be able to batter the shit out of him for every round that the fight lasts.

    I think a prime Tyson would KO Valuev inside two rounds, even the cautious Klits could probably do it inside 5.

    If you told me that Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquaio were next in line for Valuev in Germany I'd expect them both to go the distance and only lose highly controversial decisions abroad.

    I can't stress enough what utter garbage Valuev is. He's only kept his belt because he hasn't fought anybody half decent.

    The one time he fought a fighter above mediocre he was completely outboxed and lost his title to Chagaev. Come on he needed his promoters to pay off the judges just to get past Ruiz and an ancient Evander....

    Thomas Adamek could go up and outbox Valuev, in fact I'd probably pick Andre Ward to outbox him.

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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    Haye wins KO. Valuev too big too slow and will take hard punishing uppercuts and overhand rights that he will not stand upto.

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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post
    Haye wins KO. Valuev too big too slow and will take hard punishing uppercuts and overhand rights that he will not stand upto.

    Haye is going to uppercut Valuev?


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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by GAME View Post
    Haye has the Evander blueprint to follow and he has more speed and power but he has nowhere near the experience of Evander or the class/patience.

    Evanders focus went a long way to him executing that gameplan but I question if Haye can do the same. Hayes not had that many fights and he hasnt fought many big men. Not only that but Evander had an amazing chin. Hayes been floored and stopped by cruisers.

    Styles make fights so if Haye feels all he has to do is copy what Evander did then he is in for a shock. He may have to dig deep and box out of his comfort zone unlike Evander.

    Agree, agree, agree.

    Haye has speed and decent power but also a dodgy chin.
    Valuez is slower than paint and is a monster for his weight.

    Can't decide on the best thing for Haye, whether to rush in and try and tap Valuev on the chin early or take the patient and more cautious Holyfield route.

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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    I'd love for Haye to spark him, would be an amazing spectacle, for some reason though I see it going pear shaped
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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    Haye will win via decision.

    I see Haye starting quickly and looking for a KO. Then in about Round 8 he will start to dramatically tire...but that doesn't matter about Valuev, you'd have to be blind not to see Valuev's punches coming, he's so slow and utter tosh!

    I predict a rather boring last few rounds, but Haye will have done enough...then watch the mouth run!
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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    I think he'll either gas out or get impatient. Then i reckon he'll get caught. (haye by the way)

    Stupid fight to take imo.
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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
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    Vote you lazy sod.

    I was starting to think Haye might run out of steam and get stopped as well. Luckily I can't even pick my nose at the moment. Good news for you Dave...
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    I'm not sure who to pick

    I'm in such shocking form that I think a vote for Valuev will help Haye though.
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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    I went Haye, but if Valuev starts leaning on him it's gonna go very bad in the mid-rounds.

    Hey Fens what are odds of Valuev falling through the canvas if he gets knocked down?
    I actually was thinking about that very same thing.

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    Default Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
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    Haye has the Evander blueprint to follow and he has more speed and power but he has nowhere near the experience of Evander or the class/patience.

    Evanders focus went a long way to him executing that gameplan but I question if Haye can do the same. Hayes not had that many fights and he hasnt fought many big men. Not only that but Evander had an amazing chin. Hayes been floored and stopped by cruisers.

    Styles make fights so if Haye feels all he has to do is copy what Evander did then he is in for a shock. He may have to dig deep and box out of his comfort zone unlike Evander.

    Agree, agree, agree.

    Haye has speed and decent power but also a dodgy chin.
    Valuez is slower than paint and is a monster for his weight.

    Can't decide on the best thing for Haye, whether to rush in and try and tap Valuev on the chin early or take the patient and more cautious Holyfield route.
    A prime Holyfield had a decent chin for sure but I guarantee right now Haye could take more punishment than Evander, who at almost 50 is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Holyfield got battered by James Toney years ago, his punch resistance really isn't there any more. If Valuev couldn't stop Evander, he won't be stopping Haye.

    I would LOVE to be wrong though, as nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Haye's annoying smirk wiped off his face as his ridiculously buff body gets smashed to the canvas.

    Sadly I think he annihilate Valuev and force his corner to save the sagging giant by about the 8th round and then we will have to endure talks of his greatness for the next 18 months until he fights again.

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