Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by killersheep

I went Haye, but if Valuev starts leaning on him it's gonna go very bad in the mid-rounds.

Hey Fens what are odds of Valuev falling through the canvas if he gets knocked down?

I actually was thinking about that very same thing.

Ive just had this feeling all week long that haye is just gonna steam roller through him and massacre him with a huge right in about the 4th or 5th.

All logic suggests this should be a close fight that will be determained on hayes ability to handle valuevs heighth and reach advantage over nikolays ability to adapt to hayes superior speed and footwork. But ive just got this funny feeling in my water this supposed close contest is gonna be extremely one sided.

Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.

not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype

Originally Posted by CFH

I actually think Haye should be the first to stop Valuev. If not, he'll win a wide decision as long as he doesn't gas. I'm not as sold on Haye as some people, but I have a very low opinion of Valuev.

agreed, like i said, Ruiz of all people dropped him, not too much goin on there

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.

not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype

Originally Posted by CFH

I actually think Haye should be the first to stop Valuev. If not, he'll win a wide decision as long as he doesn't gas. I'm not as sold on Haye as some people, but I have a very low opinion of Valuev.

agreed, like i said, Ruiz of all people dropped him, not too much goin on there

You should seriously be employed by a US boxing authority as some kind of spin doctor

You could convince the entire world that the best heavyweight in the world is Cris Byrd and that evander holyfield beat lennox lewis twice!!

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.

not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype

No

it means he was too small.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.

not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype

No

it means he was too small.

is that meant to be tongue in cheek??

If not your completely being unfair here, ruiz, holyfield and chagaev all dealt with his heighth advantage. Why shouldnt haye?

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.

not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype

No

it means he was too small.

ummm no it proves he sucks ass, cause a guy who started his career in the same division as him, only 15 years earlier, who has about the same build and is half an inch shorter than him, also add in that he's 18 years older than him, outboxed Valuev and made him look like a fool, so don't come with the BS excuses

HOLYFIELD-
Age: 47
Height: 6′ 2½″ / 189cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm

HAYE -
Age: 29
Height: 6′ 3″ / 191cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.

not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype

Originally Posted by CFH

I actually think Haye should be the first to stop Valuev. If not, he'll win a wide decision as long as he doesn't gas. I'm not as sold on Haye as some people, but I have a very low opinion of Valuev.

agreed, like i said, Ruiz of all people dropped him, not too much goin on there

Did Ruiz drop Valuev?? I don't remember that!

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype

No

it means he was too small.

ummm no it proves he sucks ass, cause a guy who started his career in the same division as him, only 15 years earlier, who has about the same build and is half an inch shorter than him, also add in that he's 18 years older than him, outboxed Valuev and made him look like a fool, so don't come with the BS excuses

HOLYFIELD-
Age: 47
Height: 6′ 2½″ / 189cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm

HAYE -
Age: 29
Height: 6′ 3″ / 191cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm

Holyfield was a proven heavyweight.

Not all great cruiserweights make great heavyweights. In fact it's very rare. Ask Lyle.

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.

not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype

Originally Posted by CFH

I actually think Haye should be the first to stop Valuev. If not, he'll win a wide decision as long as he doesn't gas. I'm not as sold on Haye as some people, but I have a very low opinion of Valuev.

agreed, like i said, Ruiz of all people dropped him, not too much goin on there

Did Ruiz drop Valuev?? I don't remember that!

yea he dropped him in the rematch

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype

No

it means he was too small.

is that meant to be tongue in cheek??

If not your completely being unfair here, ruiz, holyfield and chagaev all dealt with his heighth advantage. Why shouldnt haye?

They are proven heavyweights.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Fenster

No

it means he was too small.

ummm no it proves he sucks ass, cause a guy who started his career in the same division as him, only 15 years earlier, who has about the same build and is half an inch shorter than him, also add in that he's 18 years older than him, outboxed Valuev and made him look like a fool, so don't come with the BS excuses

HOLYFIELD-
Age: 47
Height: 6′ 2½″ / 189cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm

HAYE -
Age: 29
Height: 6′ 3″ / 191cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm

Holyfield was a proven heavyweight.

Not all great cruiserweights make great heavyweights. In fact it's very rare. Ask Lyle.

Holyfield was also the man running the pace of the fight despite being a few years away from his 50th birthday

There are no excuses here, if haye cant do what ruiz, chagaev and a borderliner pensioner could then he indeed is a complete fraud who has wasted everybodys time!!

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Fenster

No

it means he was too small.

ummm no it proves he sucks ass, cause a guy who started his career in the same division as him, only 15 years earlier, who has about the same build and is half an inch shorter than him, also add in that he's 18 years older than him, outboxed Valuev and made him look like a fool, so don't come with the BS excuses

HOLYFIELD-
Age: 47
Height: 6′ 2½″ / 189cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm

HAYE -
Age: 29
Height: 6′ 3″ / 191cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm

Holyfield was a proven heavyweight.

Not all great cruiserweights make great heavyweights. In fact it's very rare. Ask Lyle.

that has to do more with skill, fighting style, and mindset than it does size, you said it'd be cause he was too small, Holyfield is a fraction of an inch shorter, and he's one of the greatest recent heavies,so don't feed me that bull

I don't remember Ruiz dropping Valuev either. Of course Valuev's fights with Ruiz and Holyfield I try to block from memory.

Originally Posted by killersheep

I don't remember Ruiz dropping Valuev either. Of course Valuev's fights with Ruiz and Holyfield I try to block from memory.

From what i do remember (have had therapy since to try and forget) ruiz on several occasions roughed him up particularly in the 1st fight and landed clean hard punches to the FACE with his 6`2 stature

Chagaev just bullied him for 12rounds, completely cut off all space between the 2 and took a comfortable decision

Fight Beat | News

"Ruiz was not credited with a legitimate knockdown when he floored Valuev in the second round. Ruiz blasted Valuev with punches, knocking "The Giant" into the ropes, but the referee incorrectly ruled a slip when Valuev's knee hit the canvas after he careened off of the ropes. Scoring that round would have been different, in Ruiz' favor, if it was ruled a knockdown."