Originally Posted by Chino

Originally Posted by ***********

Originally Posted by Chino

I am not so sure if he cheated against Cotto. How can we explain Margarito walking forward like a tank against a swarm of mosquitoes (Cotto's punches)? Did he put plaster on his face? Also, if Margarito was cheating that night, it would be a bit dumb of him to be parading his fists up high in victory walking around the ring, in front of all cameras, during the interviews after the fight, etc. Those kind of things make me wonder if he cheated or not.

The bricks were hidden under the wraps as inside the wraps. Did you miss the way Tony was caught? Tony already had his hands wrapped and approved by the commission when Richardson asked if he could touch them and then Richardson said they feel hard, can we have them removed? And when they were removed, out fell the plaster bricks so how would any one with a camera be able to see what is under the wraps if the commission that was standing there supposedly doing there job missed it. Does HBO have xray camera machines now?

Good point. But even if that was the case, how can we explain the fact that Cotto's best punches didn't do a thing to Margarito at all? I am not sure if it is possible to inject plaster on someone's face.

You must have missed the fight, the post fight interview, the post fight press conference and anything that followed after, did you not see Margacheaters face? His face was more bruised and battered against Cotto than it was against Shane Mosley. You see, Margarito was wearing the plaster the night of the Cotto fight, Margarito was able to ZAP Cotto's power with a few shot's which gave Margacheater the advantage in the long run. Margarito with out his plaster in the Mosley fight was unable to cause any damage, Margarito did land some shots but they were noneffective due to the lack of plaster I am not denying that Margarito has an iron jaw, truth is, I know a lot of feather fist fighters with granite chin, we now know that Margarito is one of them.

Yes Margarito has a decent chin but he was still knocked the fudge out.

At least if they are checked after the fight you know they can't slip the offending substance out. Rules should be made that all wraps are inspected post fight too. Especially when there is abnormal bruising of the opponents face.

did you not see Margacheaters face?

He doesn't look THAT bad here. I'll look for more pictures out there later.

Margarito was able to ZAP Cotto's power with a few shot's which gave Margacheater the advantage in the long run

It was Cotto's fight for more than half of the fight connecting more power punches, combinations, points, and every punch you can imagine. Still, Margarito kept walking through them with ease. Until he started catching Cotto.

Margarito with out his plaster in the Mosley fight was unable to cause any damage

Mosley is way harder to hit specially with someone as slow as Margarito. Cotto is no speedster and not the greatest in defense.

I know a lot of feather fist fighters with granite chin, we now know that Margarito is one of them

True but Margarito is not necessarily a feather fisted guy. He has more than a couple of KOs in his record.

Yes Margarito has a decent chin but he was still knocked the fudge out

I know, huh? I was surprised with that fight. I was expecting Mosley to score an easy decision on Tony and win all rounds on points.

Originally Posted by Chino

did you not see Margacheaters face?

He doesn't look THAT bad here. I'll look for more pictures out there later.

Margarito was able to ZAP Cotto's power with a few shot's which gave Margacheater the advantage in the long run

It was Cotto's fight for more than half of the fight connecting more power punches, combinations, points, and every punch you can imagine. Still, Margarito kept walking through them with ease. Until he started catching Cotto.



Mosley is way harder to hit specially with someone as slow as Margarito. Cotto is no speedster and not the greatest in defense.

I know a lot of feather fist fighters with granite chin, we now know that Margarito is one of them

True but Margarito is not necessarily a feather fisted guy. He has more than a couple of KOs in his record.

Yes Margarito has a decent chin but he was still knocked the fudge out

I know, huh? I was surprised with that fight. I was expecting Mosley to score an easy decision on Tony and win all rounds on points.

Once the plaster was found, everyone including Tony and his team knew the gig was up. I feel sorry for all those people who bet on Tony to win. Honestly, those people who did bet on Tony to win that night should have been given an instant refund or the opportunity to bet on Mosley. I know I changed my view of who would win once the plaster was discovered. I was like no wonder, this explains a lot.

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Originally Posted by sonny78

This film is one sided bollocks

Not excusing Margarito one bit but there is no proof he had modified wraps against Cotto

Did you see the Cotto Fight, Cottos Nose was smashed from a clash of heads this affected Cottos stamina Margarito then walked through 6 rounds of pounding before Cotto slowed enough for Margarito to catch him

I saw no proof in that fight that hand-wraps would have made and difference in that fight

Can you please post the clash of heads.

Also, Roach said it clearly, we have no proof, but fans are not that stupid. Tony was caught trying to use plaster against an old man whom most thought he had no chance. Why would you use plaster against an old man and yet not try to do it against an undefeated young fighter in his prime? Is there any logic to it? Not in my book. That is like fighting the king of the school yard fair fight and then going out and beating up girls with brass knuckles

A stick of chewing gum sized piece of gauze in a wraps is Loading the gloves That is preposterous.
Margarito kicked Cottos butt LEGITIMATELY

Everyone can believe what they want. I don't buy that Margacheato would start cheating at that particular juncture of his career. There is no way anyone can convince me that he had never done that before the Mosley fight. There is no way you are going to take that kind of risk unless you are reasonably confident you are going to get away with it.


I'm glad to see Freddie Roach has come to his senses. It made me sick when he came out and said he believed Margacheato and was going to try to help him get back on his feet, just because Margacheato told him he didn't do it.

we can all speculate to what we want to believe. there was no proof that he did use loaded wraps against cotto or he didnt. the bias is by choice. of course whoever is a cotto fan would say margo cheated and whoever is a margo fan would say he didnt do it against cotto.. this arguement will go on forever. the guy is serving his suspension and then maybe they'll let him fight again. who knows. anyway.. i watch the cotto vs margo fight again since ive been on youtube too much lately.. one this is for sure tho.. loaded gloves or not... no matter how fast or how slow you think margarito was.. he caught cotto with looping(not even straight)punches no problem. he did it all night

Originally Posted by josef4334

we can all speculate to what we want to believe. there was no proof that he did use loaded wraps against cotto or he didnt. the bias is by choice. of course whoever is a cotto fan would say margo cheated and whoever is a margo fan would say he didnt do it against cotto.. this arguement will go on forever. the guy is serving his suspension and then maybe they'll let him fight again. who knows. anyway.. i watch the cotto vs margo fight again since ive been on youtube too much lately.. one this is for sure tho.. loaded gloves or not... no matter how fast or how slow you think margarito was.. he caught cotto with looping(not even straight)punches no problem. he did it all night

What about the people in the middle though? I mean doesn't common sense kind of prevail there? It shouldn't be such a long thread, no one knows but the odds are he did. Unless he got spooked but I really doubt that.