Thread: Olympic Drug Testing: Has This Been Required In A Championship Fight?

Originally Posted by brucelee

These negotiations make me crazy.

I shouldn't be opening my account in this forum until the negotiation is finished.

Anyway, i'll try to cool my head and agree with everybody else here that Pac should take the random drug testing.

Of course, he should make more crazy demands on Mayweather like $15 million dollar per excess pound and Mayweather should not weigh more than 150lbs on fight night.

This is the only way to win this negotiation. Agree with the opponent's demands no matter how ludicrous they are and make more ludicrous demands.

I hope the team pacquaio is reading my posts here.

I'm giving you free advice TEAM PACQUAIO. Hope you're reading this.

By the way, you don't need to sue the two Gayweathers. Just make more ludicrous demands and that would be a sweeter retaliation.

and make sure the fight doesnt happen ? it seems that you dont care bout the fight happening you just want pac to get his own way

Originally Posted by hitmanhatton

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by hitmanhatton

GTFO

inflation isnt that high, im pretty sure the fine for DLH against pac was $3 mil per pound..... dont try and tell me we have had inflation of 300% + since then

and the tests have never been required before, also 8oz gloves werent used at 147 in nevada before cotto-margarito..... pac wouldnt do without them now.... its called progression, we used to have fights that went on for 30+ rounds, then 15, now 12, times change, this is something that should have been bought in long ago

For your information, inflation rate is not the only rate used to calculate the present value factor.

inflation is only one of the factors used in the calculation of interest rate. Beside the interest rate, one should also consider MATERIALITY in deciding how much fines to exact.

That's an accounting term which I would like to expound if you would come to my class.LOL.

plays a very small part

put it this way you dont go from $3 mil to 10 in the space of 12-18 months with that value of funds being the same

simply put roach wants to give the most advantages possible, from what i can see all floyds team are really asking for is to guarentee its a fair fight

It should go as high as that when you include the risk premium and the defamation factor in computing the interest rate.LOL.

Materiality wise, we're talking of around $300-$400 million revenues here. $10 million is just appropriate as a fine. Mayweather accepted it and that means it's acceptable.

just demand that the gayweathers change their ugly faces

but sue the hell out of them just the same!

they're trying to win the war without firing bullets, just by blabbering. THEY HAVE NO PROOF JUST BASELESS ALLEGATIONS

EXISTING BOXING RULES APPLY. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR OLYMPIC-STYLE BLOODTESTING, IT MUST COVER ALL FIGHTS.

gbh dlh etal are hypocrites!

Originally Posted by hitmanhatton

Originally Posted by brucelee

These negotiations make me crazy.

I shouldn't be opening my account in this forum until the negotiation is finished.

Anyway, i'll try to cool my head and agree with everybody else here that Pac should take the random drug testing.

Of course, he should make more crazy demands on Mayweather like $15 million dollar per excess pound and Mayweather should not weigh more than 150lbs on fight night.

This is the only way to win this negotiation. Agree with the opponent's demands no matter how ludicrous they are and make more ludicrous demands.

I hope the team pacquaio is reading my posts here.

I'm giving you free advice TEAM PACQUAIO. Hope you're reading this.

By the way, you don't need to sue the two Gayweathers. Just make more ludicrous demands and that would be a sweeter retaliation.

and make sure the fight doesnt happen ? it seems that you dont care bout the fight happening you just want pac to get his own way

I assure you Donny that I'm dying to see this fight happen as much as you do. This is probably Pac's last fight and I would love to see him win in the negotiations as much as I would love to see him win in the ring.

As a true Pac fan, I would do whatever it takes for him to get all the advantage in the ring and in the sharing of the spoils. EVen debate in this forum.


You're a boxer Donny and you know that for you to win, you must have all the necessary advantages on your favor.

We shouldn't be fast on judging fighters while the negotiation is still on.

Bruce, I fear that you are losing your mind.

Look at it this way. There are two demands being made. One was for weight which Mayweather has agreed to. The other was for comprehensive random testing. Manny refused it. Now both demands are justified in an ethical sense. Nobody wants Mayweather to come in at 149 pounds, do they now? And likewise nobody wants a superfight to possibly be tainted with the use of PED's. Agreed? We have eliminated one of the demands, but the other is still unresolved.

Now this is the issue at hand. There are no further outstanding demands to be made as pretty much everything else is resolved. All it takes is for Manny to do this one thing and then he can take home the purse of a lifetime. It is his refusal to do so that is making him look bad. And it is making him look extremely bad. You know as well as I do that I am not a Mayweather fan and that I have been a critic of Manny's. In this instance though I can just sit back as a casual observer with no vested interest in the fighters involved and see quite plainly that it is Manny that is being the problem here.

Stop making excuses for Manny and trying to twist the argument and just see it for what it is. Manny is refusing the fight of his career because he doesn't want to undergo random drug tests. This is the crux of the issue. We have pages of threads arguing about various things, but this is what it's all about.

Originally Posted by pacQ

just demand that the gayweathers change their ugly faces

but sue the hell out of them just the same!

they're trying to win the war without firing bullets, just by blabbering. THEY HAVE NO PROOF JUST BASELESS ALLEGATIONS

EXISTING BOXING RULES APPLY. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR OLYMPIC-STYLE BLOODTESTING, IT MUST COVER ALL FIGHTS.

gbh dlh etal are hypocrites!

I will agree that this should set a precedent for all high level fights. To argue for testing in every single pro fight is perhaps a bit much, but above a certain point it is probably quite justified.

I fear that the courts are probably not the best way to solve this issue though.

Originally Posted by miles

Bruce, I fear that you are losing your mind.

Look at it this way. There are two demands being made. One was for weight which Mayweather has agreed to. The other was for comprehensive random testing. Manny refused it. Now both demands are justified in an ethical sense. Nobody wants Mayweather to come in at 149 pounds, do they now? And likewise nobody wants a superfight to possibly be tainted with the use of PED's. Agreed? We have eliminated one of the demands, but the other is still unresolved.

Now this is the issue at hand. There are no further outstanding demands to be made as pretty much everything else is resolved. All it takes is for Manny to do this one thing and then he can take home the purse of a lifetime. It is his refusal to do so that is making him look bad. And it is making him look extremely bad. You know as well as I do that I am not a Mayweather fan and that I have been a critic of Manny's. In this instance though I can just sit back as a casual observer with no vested interest in the fighters involved and see quite plainly that it is Manny that is being the problem here.

Stop making excuses for Manny and trying to twist the argument and just see it for what it is. Manny is refusing the fight of his career because he doesn't want to undergo random drug tests. This is the crux of the issue. We have pages of threads arguing about various things, but this is what it's all about.

I know that you hate Mayweather coz he's gay and you hate competition.LOL.

I also happen to know that your hate against Pac is beyond measure as your favorite fighters have been demolished by Pac.

So I know you're watching at distant point and that you're indifferent on those two fighters. yeah. Tell it to the marines.

The crux of the matter is: Mayweather is afraid of Pac and he is doing his best to avoid the PACMAN.DLH wants some revenge on his humiliating loss and he is doing everything to retaliate.

I hope there are no paid haters in this forum and I also equivocally hope you're not one of those paid " haters".LOL.

By the way, I am not related to Pac in any way. I'm just here as a casual boxing fan with no vested interest. I am not in any way nuthugging Pac as I usually do here in this forum.



Brother miles, I'm as crazy as a rabid mongrel now and you can trust me on that.

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by miles

Bruce, I fear that you are losing your mind.

Look at it this way. There are two demands being made. One was for weight which Mayweather has agreed to. The other was for comprehensive random testing. Manny refused it. Now both demands are justified in an ethical sense. Nobody wants Mayweather to come in at 149 pounds, do they now? And likewise nobody wants a superfight to possibly be tainted with the use of PED's. Agreed? We have eliminated one of the demands, but the other is still unresolved.

Now this is the issue at hand. There are no further outstanding demands to be made as pretty much everything else is resolved. All it takes is for Manny to do this one thing and then he can take home the purse of a lifetime. It is his refusal to do so that is making him look bad. And it is making him look extremely bad. You know as well as I do that I am not a Mayweather fan and that I have been a critic of Manny's. In this instance though I can just sit back as a casual observer with no vested interest in the fighters involved and see quite plainly that it is Manny that is being the problem here.

Stop making excuses for Manny and trying to twist the argument and just see it for what it is. Manny is refusing the fight of his career because he doesn't want to undergo random drug tests. This is the crux of the issue. We have pages of threads arguing about various things, but this is what it's all about.

I know that you hate Mayweather coz he's gay and you hate competition.LOL.

I also happen to know that your hate against Pac is beyond measure as your favorite fighters have been demolished by Pac.

So I know you're watching at distant point and that you're indifferent on those two fighters. yeah. Tell it to the marines.

The crux of the matter is: Mayweather is afraid of Pac and he is doing his best to avoid the PACMAN.DLH wants some revenge on his humiliating loss and he is doing everything to retaliate.

I hope there are no paid haters in this forum and I also equivocally hope you're not one of those paid " haters".LOL.

By the way, I am not related to Pac in any way. I'm just here as a casual boxing fan with no vested interest. I am not in any way nuthugging Pac as I usually do here in this forum.



Brother miles, I'm as crazy as a rabid mongrel now and you can trust me on that.

You are raving, utterly raving.

I tried to reason with you in a way that I thought you might be able to understand, but unfortunately you seem to be a little bit wired right now. The argument really is as simple as I put forward. If you want to believe it's all about a bunch of other things then that's your call. However, there is only one fighter currently putting up barriers to the possiblility of the fight taking place.

Like I've said before, I was actually rooting for Manny to win this one. Unfortunately, that has become a little bit soured by this carry on. Hopefully Manny will reconsider and just get on with it, but I'm not so sure. All this talk of legal action means a point might be reached where all sense of sanity goes up in the air.

Originally Posted by miles

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by miles

Bruce, I fear that you are losing your mind.

Look at it this way. There are two demands being made. One was for weight which Mayweather has agreed to. The other was for comprehensive random testing. Manny refused it. Now both demands are justified in an ethical sense. Nobody wants Mayweather to come in at 149 pounds, do they now? And likewise nobody wants a superfight to possibly be tainted with the use of PED's. Agreed? We have eliminated one of the demands, but the other is still unresolved.

Now this is the issue at hand. There are no further outstanding demands to be made as pretty much everything else is resolved. All it takes is for Manny to do this one thing and then he can take home the purse of a lifetime. It is his refusal to do so that is making him look bad. And it is making him look extremely bad. You know as well as I do that I am not a Mayweather fan and that I have been a critic of Manny's. In this instance though I can just sit back as a casual observer with no vested interest in the fighters involved and see quite plainly that it is Manny that is being the problem here.

Stop making excuses for Manny and trying to twist the argument and just see it for what it is. Manny is refusing the fight of his career because he doesn't want to undergo random drug tests. This is the crux of the issue. We have pages of threads arguing about various things, but this is what it's all about.

I know that you hate Mayweather coz he's gay and you hate competition.LOL.

I also happen to know that your hate against Pac is beyond measure as your favorite fighters have been demolished by Pac.

So I know you're watching at distant point and that you're indifferent on those two fighters. yeah. Tell it to the marines.

The crux of the matter is: Mayweather is afraid of Pac and he is doing his best to avoid the PACMAN.DLH wants some revenge on his humiliating loss and he is doing everything to retaliate.

I hope there are no paid haters in this forum and I also equivocally hope you're not one of those paid " haters".LOL.

By the way, I am not related to Pac in any way. I'm just here as a casual boxing fan with no vested interest. I am not in any way nuthugging Pac as I usually do here in this forum.



Brother miles, I'm as crazy as a rabid mongrel now and you can trust me on that.

You are raving, utterly raving.

I tried to reason with you in a way that I thought you might be able to understand, but unfortunately you seem to be a little bit wired right now. The argument really is as simple as I put forward. If you want to believe it's all about a bunch of other things then that's your call. However, there is only one fighter currently putting up barriers to the possiblility of the fight taking place.

Like I've said before, I was actually rooting for Manny to win this one. Unfortunately, that has become a little bit soured by this carry on. Hopefully Manny will reconsider and just get on with it, but I'm not so sure. All this talk of legal action means a point might be reached where all sense of sanity goes up in the air.

So did Maywether really agree on the 10 million dollar fine? As far as I know Gayweather hasn't signed any contract to that effect.

Please elucidate me on this matter. For the moment I hope you understand that Mayweather is trying to evade Pac by making that ludicrous demand.

I fully understand what you mean Miles. From a hater's standpoint, I can understand you very well.

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by miles

Originally Posted by brucelee

I know that you hate Mayweather coz he's gay and you hate competition.LOL.

I also happen to know that your hate against Pac is beyond measure as your favorite fighters have been demolished by Pac.

So I know you're watching at distant point and that you're indifferent on those two fighters. yeah. Tell it to the marines.

The crux of the matter is: Mayweather is afraid of Pac and he is doing his best to avoid the PACMAN.DLH wants some revenge on his humiliating loss and he is doing everything to retaliate.

I hope there are no paid haters in this forum and I also equivocally hope you're not one of those paid " haters".LOL.

By the way, I am not related to Pac in any way. I'm just here as a casual boxing fan with no vested interest. I am not in any way nuthugging Pac as I usually do here in this forum.



Brother miles, I'm as crazy as a rabid mongrel now and you can trust me on that.

You are raving, utterly raving.

I tried to reason with you in a way that I thought you might be able to understand, but unfortunately you seem to be a little bit wired right now. The argument really is as simple as I put forward. If you want to believe it's all about a bunch of other things then that's your call. However, there is only one fighter currently putting up barriers to the possiblility of the fight taking place.

Like I've said before, I was actually rooting for Manny to win this one. Unfortunately, that has become a little bit soured by this carry on. Hopefully Manny will reconsider and just get on with it, but I'm not so sure. All this talk of legal action means a point might be reached where all sense of sanity goes up in the air.

So did Maywether really agree on the 10 million dollar fine? As far as I know Gayweather hasn't signed any contract to that effect.

Please elucidate me on this matter. For the moment I hope you understand that Mayweather is trying to evade Pac by making that ludicrous demand.

I fully understand what you mean Miles. From a hater's standpoint, I can understand you very well.

Mayweather has agreed to all of Manny's demands and there is nothing ludicrous in a comprehensive drug test. If Manny agrees then it means we have a fair fight. A good thing, no? His refusal, as I keep saying is where the problem is.

As for your last point, well I will choose to ignore it. It is christmas after all.

Originally Posted by miles

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by miles

You are raving, utterly raving.

I tried to reason with you in a way that I thought you might be able to understand, but unfortunately you seem to be a little bit wired right now. The argument really is as simple as I put forward. If you want to believe it's all about a bunch of other things then that's your call. However, there is only one fighter currently putting up barriers to the possiblility of the fight taking place.

Like I've said before, I was actually rooting for Manny to win this one. Unfortunately, that has become a little bit soured by this carry on. Hopefully Manny will reconsider and just get on with it, but I'm not so sure. All this talk of legal action means a point might be reached where all sense of sanity goes up in the air.

So did Maywether really agree on the 10 million dollar fine? As far as I know Gayweather hasn't signed any contract to that effect.

Please elucidate me on this matter. For the moment I hope you understand that Mayweather is trying to evade Pac by making that ludicrous demand.

I fully understand what you mean Miles. From a hater's standpoint, I can understand you very well.

Mayweather has agreed to all of Manny's demands and there is nothing ludicrous in a comprehensive drug test. If Manny agrees then it means we have a fair fight. A good thing, no? His refusal, as I keep saying is where the problem is.

As for your last point, well I will choose to ignore it. It is christmas after all.

Ohh, did Mayweather really agree on the 10 mil fine? Did he sign a contract already?

Could it be that he's trying to use this random drug testing now as an ace to divert the blame on Manny. I know he hasn't honestly agreed on the fine.


I hope Manny agrees on the random drug testing so gayweather would be put into the corner. I also hope that Manny increases the penalty to $15 mil.

For now, I will rest my case and have some good sleep.

Thoughts for myself:

"How I really hate my nuthugging. I would usually engage in useless debates for nothing.

I should be charging Pac with my professional fee. Defending him is costing me a lot of time and my wireless broadband connection is expensive.

Merry Christmas to all and may we all have a prosperous and exciting new year."

It's never required before. Why it should be required now?

Because a non-american fighter is breaking record after record, and that makes him a steroid user?

Pacquioa never tested positive. Screw the GBP and the Crackweathers. The NSAC says Pac is clean, always been, and thats all matters.

Floyd will never agree to fight Pac. Yes he agree verbally but he never sign the contract just like Pac who also agree but never sign the contract.

This is a bluff for both camps. I want this fight to happen! I know Pac wants Mayweather Jr. but I don't know Mayweather Jr. if he really want him to fight. We don't know.

I agree that if they start this blood testing thing then all must follow too and no exception. ALL BOXERS and TRAINERS.

This type of blood testing is not required by the Nevada state athletic commission. Why Mayweather's want to do this kind of test? Because that they scared! Mayweather don't want to loose his ZERO 0...

Originally Posted by Intazzz

Floyd will never agree to fight Pac. Yes he agree verbally but he never sign the contract just like Pac who also agree but never sign the contract.

This is a bluff for both camps. I want this fight to happen! I know Pac wants Mayweather Jr. but I don't know Mayweather Jr. if he really want him to fight. We don't know.

I agree that if they start this blood testing thing then all must follow too and no exception. ALL BOXERS and TRAINERS.

This type of blood testing is not required by the Nevada state athletic commission. Why Mayweather's want to do this kind of test? Because that they scared! Mayweather don't want to loose his ZERO 0...

fining someone $10 million per pound is not required by the Nevada state atheltic commission, Why does Manny refuse to take a simple blood test? cause he's either scared shitless or a cheat! doesn't wanna lose that p4p #1

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Intazzz

Floyd will never agree to fight Pac. Yes he agree verbally but he never sign the contract just like Pac who also agree but never sign the contract.

This is a bluff for both camps. I want this fight to happen! I know Pac wants Mayweather Jr. but I don't know Mayweather Jr. if he really want him to fight. We don't know.

I agree that if they start this blood testing thing then all must follow too and no exception. ALL BOXERS and TRAINERS.

This type of blood testing is not required by the Nevada state athletic commission. Why Mayweather's want to do this kind of test? Because that they scared! Mayweather don't want to loose his ZERO 0...

fining someone $10 million per pound is not required by the Nevada state atheltic commission, Why does Manny refuse to take a simple blood test? cause he's either scared shitless or a cheat! doesn't wanna lose that p4p #1

Nice AVATAR you got there. I know you love pac long time ago since he beat your Fav boxer.

Pacquiao after lots of serious drug test!