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    Default Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off

    Quote Originally Posted by KananKrus View Post
    You did not fight Erik Morales for 12 gruelling rounds either, Buddy!
    What does it have to do with the fact that his behaviors are highly suspect? nothing. PAc struggled against Morrales because El Terrible was a much better technician than him and probably as fast. Wouldn't it have been from the weight drain, PAcman would have lost the second time against him too. Morrales was just very good and Pac had difficulties against him, period. Thinking that a blooddraw can weaken you to this point is fake excuses. I don't need to fight nobody to understand how I would want to make sure that my opponent is playing by the rules. You can say whatever you want as a blind sight fan but objectively, Pacman has no reasons whatsoever to refuse random blood test for this fight, especially as Mayweather would have the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. How frustrating can boxing be?

    Manny Pacquiao is a disgrace. All he had to do was agree to the kind of checks that teenage gymnasts readily go through in the Olympics and he couldn't even do that.

    His career is done as far as I'm concerned. There is no demand for a fight with Foreman and Malignaggi has certainly done nothing to warrant a shot.

    It all boils down to the question as to why Manny so vehemently refuses random blood testing. You would think fair enough "test me" if you have nothing to hide and you want to cement your legacy. And instead he risks his entire reputation because he doesn't want to provide a blood test?

    He is either seriously unhinged or hiding something. There is no rationale for his behaviour.

    i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?
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    You did not fight Erik Morales for 12 gruelling rounds either, Buddy!
    What does it have to do with the fact that his behaviors are highly suspect? nothing. PAc struggled against Morrales because El Terrible was a much better technician than him and probably as fast. Wouldn't it have been from the weight drain, PAcman would have lost the second time against him too. Morrales was just very good and Pac had difficulties against him, period. Thinking that a blooddraw can weaken you to this point is fake excuses. I don't need to fight nobody to understand how I would want to make sure that my opponent is playing by the rules. You can say whatever you want as a blind sight fan but objectively, Pacman has no reasons whatsoever to refuse random blood test for this fight, especially as Mayweather would have the same.
    yeah man.. pac didnt think fast there.. he should have asked the commision to draw blood from mayweathers thigh so he wont be able to run all night. if pac cant punch 100% then mayweather wont be able to keep running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josef4334 View Post
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    You did not fight Erik Morales for 12 gruelling rounds either, Buddy!
    What does it have to do with the fact that his behaviors are highly suspect? nothing. PAc struggled against Morrales because El Terrible was a much better technician than him and probably as fast. Wouldn't it have been from the weight drain, PAcman would have lost the second time against him too. Morrales was just very good and Pac had difficulties against him, period. Thinking that a blooddraw can weaken you to this point is fake excuses. I don't need to fight nobody to understand how I would want to make sure that my opponent is playing by the rules. You can say whatever you want as a blind sight fan but objectively, Pacman has no reasons whatsoever to refuse random blood test for this fight, especially as Mayweather would have the same.
    yeah man.. pac didnt think fast there.. he should have asked the commision to draw blood from mayweathers thigh so he wont be able to run all night. if pac cant punch 100% then mayweather wont be able to keep running.
    Mayweather is subjected to the same blood tests, for your information, and they can pull the blood from any veins, it has never been stipulated nowhere that it has to be taken from Manny's left arm exactly from the sensitive and hurtful location, for your very own information.
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    Default Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off

    Quote Originally Posted by josef4334 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. How frustrating can boxing be?

    Manny Pacquiao is a disgrace. All he had to do was agree to the kind of checks that teenage gymnasts readily go through in the Olympics and he couldn't even do that.

    His career is done as far as I'm concerned. There is no demand for a fight with Foreman and Malignaggi has certainly done nothing to warrant a shot.

    It all boils down to the question as to why Manny so vehemently refuses random blood testing. You would think fair enough "test me" if you have nothing to hide and you want to cement your legacy. And instead he risks his entire reputation because he doesn't want to provide a blood test?

    He is either seriously unhinged or hiding something. There is no rationale for his behaviour.

    i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?
    I have read it. The only change in Mannys camp was an offer to reduce the window for testing from 30 days to 24 days. That is far from any acceptance of random blood testing.

    Manny has thrown away the fight, and it doesn't matter how Arum tries to spin it. The facts are there in the article. Mayweathers demands were the same as they have been all the way through negotiations. It is Manny's camp that offered the lame proposal of 24 days before the fight. A very weak move to make them look as though they are offering something, despite the fact that there is nothing random in their proposal and still allows for possible loopholes.

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    Default Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off

    Ok....hmm....fuck you manny... fuck you!!! Peoples champ ay, so you rob them of the fight they all want to see? I have said it all along, if you wanna be world class then throw all your superstitions away, throw your religion out the window because if its going to stop you from giving a blood test then that is unfair to everyone else and if you wanna be at the top then you gotta be the best at everything and that includes abiding by the rules.
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    Default Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off

    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by josef4334 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. How frustrating can boxing be?

    Manny Pacquiao is a disgrace. All he had to do was agree to the kind of checks that teenage gymnasts readily go through in the Olympics and he couldn't even do that.

    His career is done as far as I'm concerned. There is no demand for a fight with Foreman and Malignaggi has certainly done nothing to warrant a shot.

    It all boils down to the question as to why Manny so vehemently refuses random blood testing. You would think fair enough "test me" if you have nothing to hide and you want to cement your legacy. And instead he risks his entire reputation because he doesn't want to provide a blood test?

    He is either seriously unhinged or hiding something. There is no rationale for his behaviour.

    i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?
    I have read it. The only change in Mannys camp was an offer to reduce the window for testing from 30 days to 24 days. That is far from any acceptance of random blood testing.

    Manny has thrown away the fight, and it doesn't matter how Arum tries to spin it. The facts are there in the article. Mayweathers demands were the same as they have been all the way through negotiations. It is Manny's camp that offered the lame proposal of 24 days before the fight. A very weak move to make them look as though they are offering something, despite the fact that there is nothing random in their proposal and still allows for possible loopholes.
    Don't try to reason them Miles, they will just stick to what Manny does even if he would kill somebody, they just don't want to be objective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by josef4334 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. How frustrating can boxing be?

    Manny Pacquiao is a disgrace. All he had to do was agree to the kind of checks that teenage gymnasts readily go through in the Olympics and he couldn't even do that.

    His career is done as far as I'm concerned. There is no demand for a fight with Foreman and Malignaggi has certainly done nothing to warrant a shot.

    It all boils down to the question as to why Manny so vehemently refuses random blood testing. You would think fair enough "test me" if you have nothing to hide and you want to cement your legacy. And instead he risks his entire reputation because he doesn't want to provide a blood test?

    He is either seriously unhinged or hiding something. There is no rationale for his behaviour.

    i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?
    I have read it. The only change in Mannys camp was an offer to reduce the window for testing from 30 days to 24 days. That is far from any acceptance of random blood testing.

    Manny has thrown away the fight, and it doesn't matter how Arum tries to spin it. The facts are there in the article. Mayweathers demands were the same as they have been all the way through negotiations. It is Manny's camp that offered the lame proposal of 24 days before the fight. A very weak move to make them look as though they are offering something, despite the fact that there is nothing random in their proposal and still allows for possible loopholes.
    thats what mayweather wants people to look at it. he wants random testing because he knows pac wont budge since he had a bad experience from the first morales fight.
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    i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?
    I have read it. The only change in Mannys camp was an offer to reduce the window for testing from 30 days to 24 days. That is far from any acceptance of random blood testing.

    Manny has thrown away the fight, and it doesn't matter how Arum tries to spin it. The facts are there in the article. Mayweathers demands were the same as they have been all the way through negotiations. It is Manny's camp that offered the lame proposal of 24 days before the fight. A very weak move to make them look as though they are offering something, despite the fact that there is nothing random in their proposal and still allows for possible loopholes.
    Don't try to reason them Miles, they will just stick to what Manny does even if he would kill somebody, they just don't want to be objective.
    did anybody prove he's juicing? did you? not unless you give us proof then you and the rest of us here could speculate. mayweather started boxing at 106 lbs for golden gloves and now hes a welterweight, so you think hes juicing too? how about oscar, he fought at 130 all the way up to 160, so can we accuse him of juicing? mosley admited that he was on steroids but a lot of people think he lost to oscar on the second fight. vargas was also caught juicing, didnt dela hoya lay him out? bush said that theres WMD in iraq, iraq is now torn inside out and nobody found anything, not even half of 1 WMD
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    Default Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off

    Just playing Devil's Advocate here but people are forgetting one thing, the FACTS!!

    Manny has never failed a drug test! They have absolutely no proof that he's ever used anything, it's just a theory thought up by Mayeather Sr. Pac is obiding by the rules set out by NSAC and them some.

    Forget what you'd do if you was Manny, forget how it looks or what reasoning you have for taking the tests. Forget what happened with Mosley. Manny hasn't done anything wrong, he is obiding by the same rules as every other single boxing match in history!

    Innocent until proven guilty! And besides, the fight may still happen at a later date...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KananKrus View Post
    Pacquiao was willing to give blood tests as late as 24 days before the fight and additionally if still needed, right after the fight. This surely ensures a satisfaction for both camps. One camp for concern on steroids use, and the other for a continuity for a "ritual" but proven winning fight preparations.

    This was the concession that the Pac group were willing to accomodate. However, the Mayweathers said no, as they wanted random blood tests to take place right up until seconds before the fight, this was unfortunately, disagreeable to Manny and rightfully so.

    Pacquiao, as far as he is concerned, has nothing to hide. He plainly is not comfortable being randomly tested for the disruption it creates on his fight preparations. Likewise, it also has a history as a recipe for a bad result, (Morales vs Pac I) where he was tested days before the fight and he immediately felt enormously weakened as a result and to never achieve peak form atop the ring.

    What else can be said....

    Smokescreen works at Saddo!
    No, no, no.

    Pac's proposal to change the cut off date from 30 days to 24 days is a nothing proposal. It is far from the random testing which has been asked all along.

    The arguments that you are offering in defence of Manny are ludicrous. The tests would have little impact on his training. There were a bunch of excuses for the Morales loss and bloodtesting was one of them. It couldn't be down to the fact that on the night Morales was simply better than him, could it now? I see there were no excuses after getting the nod over Marquez second time out. It's funny how there are no excuses when the cards go in your favour.

    Manny, the supposed fans fighter, has gone and chickened out when it mattered the most. And you have to wonder, why? Were the questions being asked simply too much for him to handle? Or too close to the bone? Manny now has serious question marks next to his name and has made a lot of people very angry.

    It's a disgrace. The responses from his team have been haphazard at best or else outright dishonest. We all knew Manny was tough to negotiate with, but this is absurd. The biggest fight of the decade off because of a refusal to submit to random testing.

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    Default Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off

    It's not good this. Not good at all.

    Before all this shinnanigans, i thought Pac Man was an absolute legend and Mayweather was a great fighter but a bit shy when it came to fighting someone his own size.

    Now I think Pac Man may have something to hide and Mayweather is a joke.

    Mayweather said it would be an easy fight! So easy that he did everything possible to ensure that it was called off.

    Carry on fighting over-rated smaller men Mayweather or well passed their best fighters. You will always have pathetic people kissing your overated yellow arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KananKrus View Post
    Pacquiao was willing to give blood tests as late as 24 days before the fight and additionally if still needed, right after the fight. This surely ensures a satisfaction for both camps. One camp for concern on steroids use, and the other for a continuity for a "ritual" but proven winning fight preparations.

    This was the concession that the Pac group were willing to accomodate. However, the Mayweathers said no, as they wanted random blood tests to take place right up until seconds before the fight, this was unfortunately, disagreeable to Manny and rightfully so.

    Pacquiao, as far as he is concerned, has nothing to hide. He plainly is not comfortable being randomly tested for the disruption it creates on his fight preparations. Likewise, it also has a history as a recipe for a bad result, (Morales vs Pac I) where he was tested days before the fight and he immediately felt enormously weakened as a result and to never achieve peak form atop the ring.

    What else can be said....

    Smokescreen works at Saddo!
    No, no, no.

    Pac's proposal to change the cut off date from 30 days to 24 days is a nothing proposal. It is far from the random testing which has been asked all along.

    The arguments that you are offering in defence of Manny are ludicrous. The tests would have little impact on his training. There were a bunch of excuses for the Morales loss and bloodtesting was one of them. It couldn't be down to the fact that on the night Morales was simply better than him, could it now? I see there were no excuses after getting the nod over Marquez second time out. It's funny how there are no excuses when the cards go in your favour.

    Manny, the supposed fans fighter, has gone and chickened out when it mattered the most. And you have to wonder, why? Were the questions being asked simply too much for him to handle? Or too close to the bone? Manny now has serious question marks next to his name and has made a lot of people very angry.

    It's a disgrace. The responses from his team have been haphazard at best or else outright dishonest. We all knew Manny was tough to negotiate with, but this is absurd. The biggest fight of the decade off because of a refusal to submit to random testing.
    i see where you're coming from. and i do agree about manny and the question marks next to his name because of certain allegations from a convicted drug dealer. but lets put ourselves in mannys shoes here for a moment. if you had a history of being outsmarted in a fight negotiation. for example, he was outhussled in the negotiations during the first morales fight by his own promoter. he was forced to use winning gloves instead of reyes, his blood was drawn two days before the fight and he believed that weakened him. the same pattern of negotiating floyd used. wanting to fight at 154, 10 oz gloves and random blood testing. well only the random blood testing worked against pacquiao.
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    I can't believe this.

    Not taking sides - 6 of one half a dozen of the other . Both have gone down in my estimation.

    And more importantly they have dealt a killer blow to the sport that has made them mega starts and mega rich. And don't seem to give two shits about us the fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conrad View Post
    Just playing Devil's Advocate here but people are forgetting one thing, the FACTS!!

    Manny has never failed a drug test! They have absolutely no proof that he's ever used anything, it's just a theory thought up by Mayeather Sr. Pac is obiding by the rules set out by NSAC and them some.

    Forget what you'd do if you was Manny, forget how it looks or what reasoning you have for taking the tests. Forget what happened with Mosley. Manny hasn't done anything wrong, he is obiding by the same rules as every other single boxing match in history!

    Innocent until proven guilty! And besides, the fight may still happen at a later date...

    i guess that applies to everybody other than manny pacquiao. he is guilty unless he proves hes not. its kinda like telling a monk he's gay because he wont sleep with women.
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