Thread: Caballero/Yordan

Looks like Celestino is making the move up to feather finally. Yordan is of course best known for having a second round no contest against Guerrero.

In case you were wondering this IS for an interim title (WBA). So here's the WBA stack up at feather

Super Champ: Chris John
Champ: Yuriorkis Gamboa
Interim champ: Caballero/Yordan winner.

This fight will be on the Berto/Quintana undercard. The rest of the card is a showcase for prospects. Yes Taeth, Guillermo Rigondeaux is also on the card.

Anyway back to Caballero, I think featherweight is where he starts to feel some real resistance, his height advantage is going to start being diminished, and the diversity of styles increases. Of course Caballero did very good against solid competition at 122.

I have to pick Caballero with his weird angles over Yordan, but I think Daud will keep it close early.

Not sure why. But I'm thinking Caballero blows out Yordan. Similar to the way he did Molitor.

I really like this fight. I haven't seen much of Yordan; I've only seen the fight where it looked like he was set to outbox Robert Guererro before Guerrero quit. We can all agree Yordan looked nice in that fight. So nice in fact that Guerrero hasn't signed up to fight him again. And I think I'd favor Guerrero over Caballero. I'm really undecided at least at this point.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I really like this fight. I haven't seen much of Yordan; I've only seen the fight where it looked like he was set to outbox Robert Guererro before Guerrero quit. We can all agree Yordan looked nice in that fight. So nice in fact that Guerrero hasn't signed up to fight him again. And I think I'd favor Guerrero over Caballero. I'm really undecided at least at this point.

Yordan did look good for that whole round and a half. No where near enough for me to think he can even be competitive with Caballero. I mean except for Guerrero, the only familiar name on his resume is former Rey Bautista victim Antonio Meza. Who he beat by MD. Molitor I remember had a similar soft resume before he faced Caballero

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I really like this fight. I haven't seen much of Yordan; I've only seen the fight where it looked like he was set to outbox Robert Guererro before Guerrero quit. We can all agree Yordan looked nice in that fight. So nice in fact that Guerrero hasn't signed up to fight him again. And I think I'd favor Guerrero over Caballero. I'm really undecided at least at this point.

Yordan did look good for that whole round and a half. No where near enough for me to think he can even be competitive with Caballero. I mean except for Guerrero, the only familiar name on his resume is former Rey Bautista victim Antonio Meza. Who he beat by MD. Molitor I remember had a similar soft resume before he faced Caballero

I hear ya. This fight doesn't seem like the best match-up for Yordan on paper other than the fact that he is ten years younger than Caballero. You'd think his people would build his resume up before putting him in with someone like Caballero. Truthfully, Molitor had a better resume than Yordan going into his fight with Caballero. I'm sure Caballero is thinking he'll walk through Yordan and get in a more lucrative fight with Gamboa. Surely, Yordan's people know that. Why didn't they put him in with a Litzauesque opponent first or even Molitor? It doesn't make much sense to me. I only root for him because I feel like he was about to have a career-defining win and Guerrero quit.

I guess it's only me but I'm excited about this fight. I'll be rooting for the underdog.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I guess it's only me but I'm excited about this fight. I'll be rooting for the underdog.

I'm here too, I would really like to see Caballero take this and fight my boy Jhonny after.

caballero should overwhelm yordan. it's amazing to me that just because yordan looked pretty impressive for a whole round and a half against guerrero, that they would think this guy is a great, great fighter. this yordan cat is undefeated because he's fought nothing but thai and filipino bums. i'm sure in a rematch, guerrero would KO this guy if only yordan will move up to lightweight which is where guerrero is going to campaign now.

Originally Posted by milmascaras1

caballero should overwhelm yordan. it's amazing to me that just because yordan looked pretty impressive for a whole round and a half against guerrero, that they would think this guy is a great, great fighter. this yordan cat is undefeated because he's fought nothing but thai and filipino bums. i'm sure in a rematch, guerrero would KO this guy if only yordan will move up to lightweight which is where guerrero is going to campaign now.

I know for some reason Guerrero is the people's champion, but don't get it twisted, Guerrero punked out in the fight with Yordan. Really, he doesn't get enough heat for that.

However, I don't know what Yordan's people were thinking putting him into a fight with Caballero. It seriously doesn't make any sense to me in terms of career trajectory. I guess they are thinking that if he could handle Guerrero, he can handle Caballero. Seems dumb.

and how did yordan handle guerrero? in less than two rounds? and what has yordan done since? at least guerrero picked himself up and won the super featherweight title from that african dude. (forgot his name). guerrero may have "punked out" but he knew with that bad cut, he would probably have lost by TKO and he made his difficult decision knowing if he lost that fight he wouldn't be able to secure a higher paying fight to pay for his wife's medical expenses!

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I guess it's only me but I'm excited about this fight. I'll be rooting for the underdog.

I'm here too, I would really like to see Caballero take this and fight my boy Jhonny after.

Do you think Gonzalez' chin would hold up in that fight? It'd be good while it lasted, but I'd favor Caballero by TKO.

Originally Posted by milmascaras1

and how did yordan handle guerrero? in less than two rounds? and what has yordan done since? at least guerrero picked himself up and won the super featherweight title from that african dude. (forgot his name). guerrero may have "punked out" but he knew with that bad cut, he would probably have lost by TKO and he made his difficult decision knowing if he lost that fight he wouldn't be able to secure a higher paying fight to pay for his wife's medical expenses!

That's what I'm saying Guerrero has become the people's champ because his wife is going through some difficult times. Don't give him a free pass because of his wife's condition. He didn't stop that fight because of the cut - many boxers have fought through worse cuts than that - he stopped fighting because he realized he had a bigger challenge than he had anticipated. He wasn't sure whether he could win the fight with the cut even though he could have continued with it.

Why do you think Guerrero didn't immediately seek a rematch? Because the risk outweighed the reward.

Yordan hasn't done jack since that fight, which again makes it more surprising that his people think a Caballero fight is a good business decision...

Cabellero will crush him. Just because Yordan's speed had up Guerrero in that time means nothing. Cabellero is a better fighter & quite a bit quicker.

rant,

yeah, i agree that by pulling out of the fight with yordan after less than two rounds wasn't in guerrero's character. however, having said that, he did redeem himself somewhat by winning another world title. do i think guerrero can beat yordan? absolutely, but remember, styles make fights. if the fight between robert and yordan would have continued, it would have been a very close affair and i think maybe guerrero might by the later rounds, been able to figure out yordan. if they ever rematch, i think guerrero will definitely know what he's up against and will come in better prepared for yordan's style.

Originally Posted by milmascaras1

rant,

yeah, i agree that by pulling out of the fight with yordan after less than two rounds wasn't in guerrero's character. however, having said that, he did redeem himself somewhat by winning another world title. do i think guerrero can beat yordan? absolutely, but remember, styles make fights. if the fight between robert and yordan would have continued, it would have been a very close affair and i think maybe guerrero might by the later rounds, been able to figure out yordan. if they ever rematch, i think guerrero will definitely know what he's up against and will come in better prepared for yordan's style.

Guerrero knew that he was in for a tougher fight than he had expected and thus he quit. If he felt that he could win it with the cut, he would have continued the fight. He didn't. That is the bottom line.

Either way, I'll be very surprised if Yordan beats Caballero this weekend. Huge upset.