Thread: Does Manny have the best resume at welter now?

Three fights as a welter, three dominating one sided wins over De La Hoya, Cotto and now Clottey.

That seems like the best resume in the sport at that weight class right now.

People who think he doesn't deserve his WBO strap because Cotto weighed only 145 compared to the 146 he weighed against Clottey are just letting blind hate cloud their reason I think.

He has a case to be rated number 1 in the division now seeing as Mosely lost to Cotto, Margarito was a proven cheat, Floyd hasn't fought a welterweight for about 3 years and Berto is on a steady diet of B listers.

I'm actually starting to believe he could unify the welterweight division and get rid of Berto, Mosely and even Floyd.

The guy is a machine.

Just you wait, Miles is going to have a little talking to you.

I go with Mosley still. 2 wins over a prime Delahoya and 1 of the fights was a clear win while the other one was close and could have went either way and a dominant victory over Margarito.

Mosley is the man. He's probably the best Welter of the past decade. I go with Bulldog's argument.

Mosley, has a win over a prime DLH (the rematch was at 154) and he jumped two divisions as well to do it, difference was DLH wasn't shot or weight drained, a solid win over Collazo who's still game, destroyed Margarito, and he lost a close decision to Cotto (pre-Margarito/Mosley was past his prime as well), so IMO he's still got the best resume at 147 right now, if anything you can make the case that Cotto (although he lost to Pacquiao) has the best resume, wins over Quintana, Judah, Mosley, and Clottey, and only loss (other than Pacquiao) was against a proven cheat

Mosley didn't jump 2 weight divisions to fight De La Hoya in their 1st fight, if memory serves me right, it was his 3rd or 4th fight at welterweight when he fought De la hoya the first time, although he did skipped the 140 pound class.

Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Mosley didn't jump 2 weight divisions to fight De La Hoya in their 1st fight, if memory serves me right, it was his 3rd or 4th fight at welterweight when he fought De la hoya the first time, although he did skipped the 140 pound class.

lol yea it was his 3rd fight at the weight, nonetheless he skipped 140 just the same, and it was against a technically undefeated DLH, we all know what happened in the Trinidad fight

I don't see what Mosely's wins over Oscar have to do with now though given that they happened several years ago.

I'm talking about who has the best resume against the current crop of welters.

Floyd hasn't fought a welterweight opponent since 2006, over 3 and a half years.

Mosely has had three fights at welter, Collazo, Cotto which he lost and Margarito.

Berto has fought such luminaries as Steve Forbes, David Estrada, Trabant, Urango and Collazo.


Manny's resume beats all of the above imo.

yes, and certainly most impressive.

people will begin to dog on him for last night because he never got Clottey out of there, but i dare anyone to try and KO a punching bag. Just not gonna happen. You can however beat the thing silly from beginning to end, kinda like..well...yea.

I dont think so.Resumes are long term and talking just in the 'now' sort of tilts the favorites from the outset.Mosley has faced far better competition albeit with 2 losses to a top form Forrest.Hitting his initial stride at Welter,Mosley was just as impressive as Manny who himself deserves full credit for Cotto destruction even after Margarito.Blah hands never know blah.Arguably after Clottey himself let a victory slip away vs Cotto by showing the same limpness then as he did last night.If Oscar is listed as accomplishment in shell form on Mannys resume then certainly he counts x 2 when a win over him actually,well,meant something?

He does imo.

It's really close though.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I dont think so.Resumes are long term and talking just in the 'now' sort of tilts the favorites from the outset.Mosley has faced far better competition albeit with 2 losses to a top form Forrest.Hitting his initial stride at Welter,Mosley was just as impressive as Manny who himself deserves full credit for Cotto destruction even after Margarito.Blah hands never know blah.Arguably after Clottey himself let a victory slip away vs Cotto by showing the same limpness then as he did last night.If Oscar is listed as accomplishment in shell form on Mannys resume then certainly he counts x 2 when a win over him actually,well,meant something?

I'm not so sure Oscar was quite the shell he has been made to be to honest. Manny has doiminated everybody as one sidedly in the last couple years and to be honest I think Oscar at 147 at any time in his career would have had huge problems with Manny who is just a force.

I don't count Shane's wins over Oscar because they happened several years ago and arent' relavent to the division right now.

If you follow that logic then Ricky Hatton must still be at number 1 at light welter and Juan Diaz is still top dog at lightweight.

I know Mosely is still very much at the top of the welterweight scene unlike the guys above in their respective divisions but his loss to Cotto was many years more recent, and significant in terms of the current rankings than his wins over Oscar imo.

I see the Ring agree with me at least, having Manny at number 1 with the title of champion vacant.

Certainly no other fighter at 147 has such great names on their record at 147 in the last couple years as De La Hoya, Cotto and Clottey, and to think he didn't just win them all he dominated and destroyed them all. I think he lost maybe 2 rounds in those three fights combined, in fact 2 rounds in total since his last fight with Marquez!

I guess what I'm saying is that Manny can no longer be regarded as a little man in a big division, he is now top dog and can dominate potentially this entire weight class. That is an incredible feat.

Mosely looked great against Margarito and Collazo, but he would need to improve to beat Manny, certainly the Mosely that lost to Cotto and looked pretty crude at times against Mayorga wouldn't have anything more than a punchers chance of beating him.

Floyd still looks untouchable, but he hasn't had a real challenge since about 2005 and I'm not sure he will be prepared to fight in the trenches like Manny.

For the first time I'm actually thinking Manny can whup the whole darn lot of them.

Imagine if he beat Berto, Mosely and Mayweather before bowing out. In fact he's so good, people would almost expect it.

Oh maybe I worded the title wrongly. I don't mean resume in a 'when you look back on their careers' sense, rather I mean who has the best record right now in the current welterweight situation.

Manny has a very strong argument to be number one based on opposition faced.

In fact I can't think of a single fighter ever who has jumped so many divisions and then fought such tough competition in the weight class he jumped to back to back.

There's no Collazo, Gomez, Baldomir or Estrada on his record at 147, he's gone straight for the top dogs and is cleaning out the division.

He has faced the best opposition of any other welterweight since his fight with ODH.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Oh maybe I worded the title wrongly. I don't mean resume in a 'when you look back on their careers' sense, rather I mean who has the best record right now in the current welterweight situation.

Manny has a very strong argument to be number one based on opposition faced.

In fact I can't think of a single fighter ever who has jumped so many divisions and then fought such tough competition in the weight class he jumped to back to back.

There's no Collazo, Gomez, Baldomir or Estrada on his record at 147, he's gone straight for the top dogs and is cleaning out the division.

De la Hoya was no top dog. Wasn't ranked at all. He wasn't even a welterweight. Hadn't fought there in almost 8 years when he fought Pac. How far back are you going with this resume thing so we can get a clear understanding? Collazo isn't formidable but Clottey is, relevant De la Hoya doesn't count for Mosley but 154 irrelevant De la Hoya does count for Pac at welterweight, Margarito doesn't count for Mosley because he was cheater but Cotto wasn't ruined by said cheater, disregard the Cotto catchweight tactic, etc. It seems like you are restricting it so that Pac "has" to be the choice without a doubt. I guess considering all these conditions then there is no argument. Its unanimous, in only 2 fights Pac has the best resume at welterweight without question. I already thought Pac was the legitimate #1 p4p fighter. Now that is the real question and I think Pac has answered enough to warrant the masses to agree in majority that Pac is truly the #1 fighter in boxing right now. Whats even better is that I think welterweight has the top 3 p4p fighters. Another good question forms