Originally Posted by
KingRome
Originally Posted by
blegit
No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them
This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.
Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.
as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma.
I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.
Clearly you didn't see MMA evolve from the beginning. To start with it was pure boxers, pure wrestlers, pure ju jitszu guys, the boxers consistently did worse than all other disciplines. Admittedly there were no elite boxing guys fighting but it is abundantly clear that as a skill set appropriate for real fighting boxing is not as effective as most others.
It was the Ju Jitsu guys that dominated, Royce Gracie who dominated the early history of the UFC and then along came bigger wrestlers and shoot fighters who for a while owned the sport, Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn spring to mind.
If boxers could have transitioned easily to the sport a lot of B grade boxers would have come over and cleaned up, but they couldn't, and that was from the beginning.
Now MMA has evolved to the point where you have to have so many skills to rule the divisions.
Back on topic, I think the Klitschko's would likely have some success, their stand ups would be pretty devastating and I doubt with even with only limited training in the other aspects that they would be easy to take to the ground. A lot of fighters would be flat out intimidated by them.
But they would have too many holes in their game to win consistently, although I'd imagine they would be able to immediately make an impact.
But as MMA encompasses all styles it's easier for a boxer to transition to MMA, because he retains the value of his experience and skillset for an MMA fighter to move to boxing because virtually all they have learnt and practised is not allowed in boxing.
All they would have is their striking skills, honed in MMA gloves which are completely different to boxing, and as they only spend maybe 30% of their time on striking considering everything else they have to learn clearly they would not be able to match up to those who do striking exlusively.
As a real world skillset I'd far rather be an elite MMA star though, they would be much more handy in a real fight.
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