Thread: Disappointed in Hayes performance!

I was disappointed with Hayes Performance I thought he could have finished Ruiz of several times but he just didnt seem botherd, he was content to just land a few big shots and back of! Did anyone else catch the other fights? None of which were any good apart from the Groves figth he wasnt to bad.

Originally Posted by mattboxingfan

I was disappointed with Hayes Performance I thought he could have finished Ruiz of several times but he just didnt seem botherd, he was content to just land a few big shots and back of! Did anyone else catch the other fights? None of which were any good apart from the Groves figth he wasnt to bad.

Really ? i mean what did you expect ? John Ruiz is a pretty durable guy, except getting caught cold by David Tua, he's always shown a pretty solid chin.

David Haye boxed smart looking to counter, he scored 4 knockdowns busting up John Ruiz's face. Action wise it was ok considering John Ruiz come to fight, plus because were not exactly being treated, to much action in the HW division right now.

And David Haye is only the 2nd man to stop John Ruiz, out of John Ruiz's 55 fights. So all in all i think it was a good performance, yes ok John Ruiz isn't some great HW. And he is very limited plus he isn't exactly in his prime at 38.

But still John Ruiz is a durable guy, with some underrated wins under his belt. And he probably should of had 2 wins over Nikolai Valuev, so he was still pretty fresh.

Im not sure what you was exactly expecting mate, i don't think David Haye could of done much better.

Well from where I was it just seem'd like he hurt him a couple of times and wouldnt follow up on it. All credit to Ruiz he came to fight and pressured Haye from the go but he got hurt a few times and Haye could have pressed for the KO. Ill have to watch the video but from where I was standing he looked hurt more than once!

Originally Posted by ICB

Really ? i mean what did you expect ? John Ruiz is a pretty durable guy, except getting caught cold by David Tua, he's always shown a pretty solid chin.

VS very limited power punchers

Originally Posted by Lyle

Originally Posted by ICB

Really ? i mean what did you expect ? John Ruiz is a pretty durable guy, except getting caught cold by David Tua, he's always shown a pretty solid chin.

VS very limited power punchers

He took those shots from James Toney too.
And Rahman's punch power was decent I thought.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Originally Posted by ICB

Really ? i mean what did you expect ? John Ruiz is a pretty durable guy, except getting caught cold by David Tua, he's always shown a pretty solid chin.

VS very limited power punchers

Andrew Golota
Hasim Rahman
Evander Holyfield
Jimmy Thunder
Tony Tucker
Kirk Johnson

All of these guys have good power.

Rahman MAYBE.....Holyfield?!?! Evander was NEVER a "power puncher" neither was Andrew Golota. Kirk Johnson was OK but looking at the actual fight you can see why I kind of discount him. James Toney was never a proven power puncher at heavyweight.

David Tua was the only guy (maybe Rahman) that Ruiz has fought that you can say "He's a power puncher".

Originally Posted by Lyle

Rahman MAYBE.....Holyfield?!?! Evander was NEVER a "power puncher" neither was Andrew Golota. Kirk Johnson was OK but looking at the actual fight you can see why I kind of discount him. James Toney was never a proven power puncher at heavyweight.

David Tua was the only guy (maybe Rahman) that Ruiz has fought that you can say "He's a power puncher".

Well i wouldn't say Evander Holyfield is a power puncher, but he has a fair dig. He was the first guy to knockdown iron chinned Ray Mercer, he floored Riddick Bowe and had him KO'ed but had no energy, he stopped Mike Tyson, stopped Buster Douglas, ETC.

As for Andrew Golota again i agree not a real power puncher, but he still hits hard enough. Everytime i've seen Andrew Golota, he seems quite powerful to me, especially with his straight right hand, which butchered Riddick Bowe in there two fights, and made Riddick Bowe a brain damaged totally destroyed fighter.

The reason Haye doesn't go overboard when he hurts someone is Carl Thompson.

He learnt from punching himself out.

It's a positive he now fights like this not a flaw.

Originally Posted by Fenster

The reason Haye doesn't go overboard when he hurts someone is Carl Thompson.

He learnt from punching himself out.

It's a positive he now fights like this not a flaw.

I still don't know how Carl Thompson, survived that onslaught from David Haye. I know Carl Thompson had experience in up and down wars. But still that was a hell of a beating, and that was a great performance from Carl Thompson.

But it was a good learning experience from David Haye, and it made him a better fighter. And even if he would of beat Carl Thompson, he would of lost to Giacobbe Fragomeni.

i was supprised on how much Haye got tagged last night and to be honest i remember thinking if that was any of the klits connecting it would be lights out for haye.

maybe i'm just not giving an old Ruiz much credit.

one thing i know is.... if Haye had have finished him in the first that would have sent out a very impressive message and i think that is the frustration mattboxingfan is getting at.

Evander Holyfield put Mercer down with a body shot, Bowe didn't fight the big boppers either, and well Douglas had been stopped before and just was in no shape to fight when he fought Evander. I give him credit for rocking Tyson though. Holyfield also used his head pretty good too, so let's not forget that.

Fenster...so he paces himself a bit? Well well well, I thought that was just a Klitschko thing.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Evander Holyfield put Mercer down with a body shot, Bowe didn't fight the big boppers either, and well Douglas had been stopped before and just was in no shape to fight when he fought Evander. I give him credit for rocking Tyson though. Holyfield also used his head pretty good too, so let's not forget that.

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I think Evander was a very good accumulative puncher rather than a big one punch guy, but his power was more than respectable.

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I think Evander was a very good accumulative puncher rather than a big one punch guy, but his power was more than respectable.

....in the 1990's perhaps but not in the 2000's. The last time Evander KO'd anyone of note was Michael Moorer in the rematch in 1997.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Fenster...so he paces himself a bit? Well well well, I thought that was just a Klitschko thing.

He is not thick.

I understand why you're pissed Lyle. Haye made a Ruiz fight entertaining. That's pretty bloody amazing. Everyone ENJOYED it.

We both know it's an almost guarantee that Wlad-Ruiz would have won BORE of the year. The fight would have consisted of Wlad sticking his lance in Ruiz face on the way to a one-sided snoozy UD.