Thread: Glenn McCrory Tips Shane

Now I know many of you might not be Glen's biggest fan, I'm certainly not always, but found this quite interesting, this is from his Skysports News blog:


The fight is not until next weekend, but I wanted to get this out there first: Shane Mosley beats Floyd Mayweather.

There you go, I've said it. You can quote me on it. Tune into Sky Sports in the early hours of May 2nd and you will see the end of Mayweather, I'm telling you.
Like most people, I've been thinking about this fight a lot. And the more I think about, the more I analyse it, the more I look at the fighters involved, the more I think Mosley is going to win.

When this fight was first made, I'll admit I was siding with Mayweather. But then I started to think. I started to think back to after that comeback win over Juan Manuel Marquez, when Mosley jumped in the ring, interrupted his interview and started calling him out.
We were all sat there rightly reflecting on a great performance from Mayweather, then all of a sudden, Mosley came tearing into view shouting his mouth off. I have never been one to jump on the Mayweather bandwagon, but at the time, I had plenty of sympathy for him because it was his moment.

The first thing I thought back then was 'pick on someone your own size, stop bullying him'. And the more I think about it, that is the crucial factor here: Mosley is just too big. And fast. And probably too strong. In fact, compared to Floyd he is massive.
Reputations

That means, for the first time in 14 years and 41 fights as a professional, Mayweather is going to be taken out of his comfort zone. Never mind the greatest boxer in history, he should go down as the greatest match-maker in history because he books the best fights for himself; the right fighters at the right time. But for some reason, I think he's blown it this time, I really do.
I know Emanuel Steward shares the same view - that Floyd loves the comfort zone. I was also talking to HBO's Larry Merchant out in Florida the other weekend and he agrees.
He made the point that Mayweather is considered a great fighter but has never really been in a fight, never mind a great fight. Now I know dear old Larry might take an eternity to say something, but he knows his boxing inside out and doesn't pander to people's egos or reputations. And I think he's right.
That is what makes this fight so exciting for us all. Because he is bigger, and at least as quick, Mosley will make Floyd fight. And none of us, not even the man himself, know what is going to happen then. What happens when it all falls down, when he's got nothing else in there? What have you got Floyd? What have you got?
Yes, he has great skills and he is a master of defensive boxing, but what will happen when the call to arms comes? I think he will be found wanting, I really do.

Rejuvenated

Mayweather is considered a great, but I am starting to have second thoughts as to whether he can be considered a true great. I remember covering his fights in places like Portland, Fresno and Grand Rapids at a time when none of the casinos in Las Vegas wanted to touch him.
He was president of the 'Who Wants Him? Club' and I can't recall one boxer down the years who has managed to re-invent himself so dramatically to go from being grossly unpopular to an all-time great.
I actually think Ricky Hatton had a lot to do with where Floyd is now. Ricky's draw and his fan-base raised Mayweather's profile because until then, what he had showed us, wasn't exactly box office, was it?
Shane Mosley though, is a rejuvenated fighter. I am not sure he will ever be as good as he was when he beat Oscar de la Hoya but certainly last time out against Antonio Margarito, he looked sharp, he looked slick and he looked like he was back in love with fighting.
And that is one thing we have never been able to say about Floyd Mayweather. When it comes down to it, I am not sure he has the heart to go to war...

Great read, cheers for that. I just can't wait to see the fight man. I'm not gonna make any predictions atall, i'm just gonna sit back and enjoy. I'll have everything crossed for Mosley though, if I had two dicks, they'd be crossed also.

I like Glen McCrory but he said de la hoya would beat mayweather and pacquiao. He got both wrong. Out of the sky boxing team, johnny nelson always predicts it well when i watch. He always backs mayweather aswell.

Originally Posted by TheMacMagician

Great read, cheers for that. I just can't wait to see the fight man. I'm not gonna make any predictions atall, i'm just gonna sit back and enjoy. I'll have everything crossed for Mosley though, if I had two dicks, they'd be crossed also.

LMAO!

Really the only thing that bothers me RE: a Mosley win is whether he can match Mayweather for footspeed, everything else is pretty nip and tuck -

Hand Speed, I reckon they're about the same and Mosley does more than just put shot, he can fire out quick sharp combos...

Punching Power, no question here Mosley stands out much further than Mayweather in this department. Unless its late in the fight and Shane is exhausted (never really seen it happen) I can't see all but Mayweathers hardest most perfectly landed shots bothering shane that much if at all.

Strength, again although I think a lot of people probably under estimate mayweather's power and strength I think that Shane is one strong dude... much more so than Floyd.

adapatbility... both men can do it all when needed and both can work a gameplan.

defence, floyd wins this but not but as much as a lot think in my opinion. Mayweather's defense is foresight and planning rather than just reflexes but he can be hit when out of his comfort zone, (even hatton was catching him cleanly until mayweather realised Hatton is actually pretty quick on his feet and cna move into range quickly)

stamina, both have great stamina, with mosely we've seen him fight hard for 12 rounds, with floyd we've seen him not tire over 12 rounds but this i largely due the fact he can win rounds with very little exhertion. his gym and pad work is legendary but often looks very tippy tappy (get a guy to jog for 45 minutes and get a guy who can sprint on and off for 30 and the latter is fitter) so if shane can make him actually fight for 12 rounds we'll see just how great his stamina is?

Floyd being younger and less shop warn than shane should be able to dig deeper and be frsher for longer, but this is also a mental game and one we've not seen floyd play.

I really can't see Floyd doing very well by staying in the pocket/on the ropes against shane and shoulder rolling, Shane doesn't play that shit and I don't see Floyd standing up to what shane would bring if he did.

I reckon Mayweather will try and jump in with pots shots, work angles and be in and out using his movement and ring generalship, especially at 38 I think floyd's feet are quite a bit faster than shanes....

that said I think that given that Shane has longer arms (De La Hoya didn't, despite being almost 2 inches taller and he had a lot of sucess with his jab... when he bothered to use it V floyd) he may have some success walking Mayweather down with the jab and timing him coming in with potshots and firing a stiff jab out there.

I think if Mosely can get the right timing down whilst applying some pressure to either prevent floyd from potshotting/draw him into shane's type of fight then he has a pretty good shout.

I wasn't sure where to go with this fight, I've been going back and forth but thankfully this makes my decision for me. Mayweather takes the win.

Although to be honest it just follows Glenn's usual criteria for picking a fight

Cotto beats Pacquaio "too big and too strong"

Valuev beats Haye "too big and too strong"

Mayweather beats Marquez "too big and too strong"

De La Hoya beats Pacquiao "too big and too strong"

De La Hoya beats Mayweather "too big and too strong"

So off the top of my head that's 1 out of 5 for Glenn off his 'big', 'strong' criteria.

I just don't no who to pick. I think the uncertainty makes it that much more intriging. I want shane to boombash him. Whatever happens tho I think it will be floyds toughest ever fight

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

I wasn't sure where to go with this fight, I've been going back and forth but thankfully this makes my decision for me. Mayweather takes the win.

Although to be honest it just follows Glenn's usual criteria for picking a fight

Cotto beats Pacquaio "too big and too strong"

Valuev beats Haye "too big and too strong"

Mayweather beats Marquez "too big and too strong"

De La Hoya beats Pacquiao "too big and too strong"

De La Hoya beats Mayweather "too big and too strong"

So off the top of my head that's 1 out of 5 for Glenn off his 'big', 'strong' criteria.

lol was thinkin the exact same thing . Floyd should beat sHane handily IMO if he's as good as he says he is, Shane is what he is at this stage of his career - a sturdy chin and mentality and a decent dig, don't think any welter great in history would struggle to outpoint this version of shane and Floyd should do the same if he thinks he belongs. Don't think Shane has regained anything as people are tryin ro claim from the Tony performance, he only has power in his hayemekers which he shouldn't land on Floyd.

Floyd will pick him off efficiently and gradually. I hope Mosley pulls it off, would catapult him into a fight with Pac no doubt. But I think the angles from Floyd will be too much and although he isn't that powerful, he is quick and accurate and thats enough to stick you on your ass.

about Glen, he does see fights completley different than most, but you can fault his passion for the sport. Always goes all out with his thoughts.

Originally Posted by 0james0

Now I know many of you might not be Glen's biggest fan, I'm certainly not always, but found this quite interesting, this is from his Skysports News blog:


The fight is not until next weekend, but I wanted to get this out there first: Shane Mosley beats Floyd Mayweather.

There you go, I've said it. You can quote me on it. Tune into Sky Sports in the early hours of May 2nd and you will see the end of Mayweather, I'm telling you.
Like most people, I've been thinking about this fight a lot. And the more I think about, the more I analyse it, the more I look at the fighters involved, the more I think Mosley is going to win.

When this fight was first made, I'll admit I was siding with Mayweather. But then I started to think. I started to think back to after that comeback win over Juan Manuel Marquez, when Mosley jumped in the ring, interrupted his interview and started calling him out.
We were all sat there rightly reflecting on a great performance from Mayweather, then all of a sudden, Mosley came tearing into view shouting his mouth off. I have never been one to jump on the Mayweather bandwagon, but at the time, I had plenty of sympathy for him because it was his moment.

The first thing I thought back then was 'pick on someone your own size, stop bullying him'. And the more I think about it, that is the crucial factor here: Mosley is just too big. And fast. And probably too strong. In fact, compared to Floyd he is massive.
Reputations

That means, for the first time in 14 years and 41 fights as a professional, Mayweather is going to be taken out of his comfort zone. Never mind the greatest boxer in history, he should go down as the greatest match-maker in history because he books the best fights for himself; the right fighters at the right time. But for some reason, I think he's blown it this time, I really do.
I know Emanuel Steward shares the same view - that Floyd loves the comfort zone. I was also talking to HBO's Larry Merchant out in Florida the other weekend and he agrees.
He made the point that Mayweather is considered a great fighter but has never really been in a fight, never mind a great fight. Now I know dear old Larry might take an eternity to say something, but he knows his boxing inside out and doesn't pander to people's egos or reputations. And I think he's right.
That is what makes this fight so exciting for us all. Because he is bigger, and at least as quick, Mosley will make Floyd fight. And none of us, not even the man himself, know what is going to happen then. What happens when it all falls down, when he's got nothing else in there? What have you got Floyd? What have you got?
Yes, he has great skills and he is a master of defensive boxing, but what will happen when the call to arms comes? I think he will be found wanting, I really do.

Rejuvenated

Mayweather is considered a great, but I am starting to have second thoughts as to whether he can be considered a true great. I remember covering his fights in places like Portland, Fresno and Grand Rapids at a time when none of the casinos in Las Vegas wanted to touch him.
He was president of the 'Who Wants Him? Club' and I can't recall one boxer down the years who has managed to re-invent himself so dramatically to go from being grossly unpopular to an all-time great.
I actually think Ricky Hatton had a lot to do with where Floyd is now. Ricky's draw and his fan-base raised Mayweather's profile because until then, what he had showed us, wasn't exactly box office, was it?
Shane Mosley though, is a rejuvenated fighter. I am not sure he will ever be as good as he was when he beat Oscar de la Hoya but certainly last time out against Antonio Margarito, he looked sharp, he looked slick and he looked like he was back in love with fighting.
And that is one thing we have never been able to say about Floyd Mayweather. When it comes down to it, I am not sure he has the heart to go to war...

If Vernon Forrest can beat Mosely (Twice) then so can Mayweather. I know it's always dangerous to draw parrells betweem fighters. But have you asked how Mosely would have got on against Juan Manuel Marquez ? Ricky Hatton ? You think he would dealt with them as easy as Mayweather did ? Don't get me wrong, this BIG test for Mayweather and no-one can tell him S H I T after this fight.

But people always seem to back against floyd in fights. Remember this is guy who in my opinion hasn't even been close to losing. I think he UD's Mosely and roll on the pac-man.

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Really the only thing that bothers me RE: a Mosley win is whether he can match Mayweather for footspeed, everything else is pretty nip and tuck -

Hand Speed, I reckon they're about the same and Mosley does more than just put shot, he can fire out quick sharp combos...

Punching Power, no question here Mosley stands out much further than Mayweather in this department. Unless its late in the fight and Shane is exhausted (never really seen it happen) I can't see all but Mayweathers hardest most perfectly landed shots bothering shane that much if at all.

Strength, again although I think a lot of people probably under estimate mayweather's power and strength I think that Shane is one strong dude... much more so than Floyd.

adapatbility... both men can do it all when needed and both can work a gameplan.

defence, floyd wins this but not but as much as a lot think in my opinion. Mayweather's defense is foresight and planning rather than just reflexes but he can be hit when out of his comfort zone, (even hatton was catching him cleanly until mayweather realised Hatton is actually pretty quick on his feet and cna move into range quickly)

stamina, both have great stamina, with mosely we've seen him fight hard for 12 rounds, with floyd we've seen him not tire over 12 rounds but this i largely due the fact he can win rounds with very little exhertion. his gym and pad work is legendary but often looks very tippy tappy (get a guy to jog for 45 minutes and get a guy who can sprint on and off for 30 and the latter is fitter) so if shane can make him actually fight for 12 rounds we'll see just how great his stamina is?

Floyd being younger and less shop warn than shane should be able to dig deeper and be frsher for longer, but this is also a mental game and one we've not seen floyd play.

I really can't see Floyd doing very well by staying in the pocket/on the ropes against shane and shoulder rolling, Shane doesn't play that shit and I don't see Floyd standing up to what shane would bring if he did.

I reckon Mayweather will try and jump in with pots shots, work angles and be in and out using his movement and ring generalship, especially at 38 I think floyd's feet are quite a bit faster than shanes....

that said I think that given that Shane has longer arms (De La Hoya didn't, despite being almost 2 inches taller and he had a lot of sucess with his jab... when he bothered to use it V floyd) he may have some success walking Mayweather down with the jab and timing him coming in with potshots and firing a stiff jab out there.

I think if Mosely can get the right timing down whilst applying some pressure to either prevent floyd from potshotting/draw him into shane's type of fight then he has a pretty good shout.

Mosely does have less foot speed but as you mention when DLH fought Mayweather DLH had already slowed but was able to jab and tag Mayweather.

I'm just hoping for a good fight.

McCrory makes some very good points, but I don't think Mosley is massive compared to Floyd. Floyd was a fully fledged WW last time out against Marquez and has obviously filled up somewhat during his prolonged absence from the ring. They will be similar in weight come fight night. Mosley does have more experience fighting big WW's and JMW's though.

I think Mosley will be the hardest hitter Floyd has been in with and that might prove telling if Mosley is able to get through clean often enough.

Met Glenn mcCrory once and had a drink and a yarn with him. Absolute top bloke and a real nice guy but he cant pick his nose. It was around 1998/99 and i asked him his thoughts on Tyson and lewis, remembering that he had sparred tyson but forgetting that lewis had done him up. He told me that he had no doubt at all that tyson would KO lewis very early. I told him that i strongly disagreed and went on to list Lewis's strengths, when it dawned on me that Glenn had fought Lewis. I only realised it in mid-sentence and kinda tailed off my argument, but he was a real nice guy altogether

Originally Posted by 0james0

Now I know many of you might not be Glen's biggest fan, I'm certainly not always, but found this quite interesting, this is from his Skysports News blog:


The fight is not until next weekend, but I wanted to get this out there first: Shane Mosley beats Floyd Mayweather.

There you go, I've said it. You can quote me on it. Tune into Sky Sports in the early hours of May 2nd and you will see the end of Mayweather, I'm telling you.
Like most people, I've been thinking about this fight a lot. And the more I think about, the more I analyse it, the more I look at the fighters involved, the more I think Mosley is going to win.

When this fight was first made, I'll admit I was siding with Mayweather. But then I started to think. I started to think back to after that comeback win over Juan Manuel Marquez, when Mosley jumped in the ring, interrupted his interview and started calling him out.
We were all sat there rightly reflecting on a great performance from Mayweather, then all of a sudden, Mosley came tearing into view shouting his mouth off. I have never been one to jump on the Mayweather bandwagon, but at the time, I had plenty of sympathy for him because it was his moment.

The first thing I thought back then was 'pick on someone your own size, stop bullying him'. And the more I think about it, that is the crucial factor here: Mosley is just too big. And fast. And probably too strong. In fact, compared to Floyd he is massive.
Reputations

That means, for the first time in 14 years and 41 fights as a professional, Mayweather is going to be taken out of his comfort zone. Never mind the greatest boxer in history, he should go down as the greatest match-maker in history because he books the best fights for himself; the right fighters at the right time. But for some reason, I think he's blown it this time, I really do.
I know Emanuel Steward shares the same view - that Floyd loves the comfort zone. I was also talking to HBO's Larry Merchant out in Florida the other weekend and he agrees.
He made the point that Mayweather is considered a great fighter but has never really been in a fight, never mind a great fight. Now I know dear old Larry might take an eternity to say something, but he knows his boxing inside out and doesn't pander to people's egos or reputations. And I think he's right.
That is what makes this fight so exciting for us all. Because he is bigger, and at least as quick, Mosley will make Floyd fight. And none of us, not even the man himself, know what is going to happen then. What happens when it all falls down, when he's got nothing else in there? What have you got Floyd? What have you got?
Yes, he has great skills and he is a master of defensive boxing, but what will happen when the call to arms comes? I think he will be found wanting, I really do.

Rejuvenated

Mayweather is considered a great, but I am starting to have second thoughts as to whether he can be considered a true great. I remember covering his fights in places like Portland, Fresno and Grand Rapids at a time when none of the casinos in Las Vegas wanted to touch him.
He was president of the 'Who Wants Him? Club' and I can't recall one boxer down the years who has managed to re-invent himself so dramatically to go from being grossly unpopular to an all-time great.
I actually think Ricky Hatton had a lot to do with where Floyd is now. Ricky's draw and his fan-base raised Mayweather's profile because until then, what he had showed us, wasn't exactly box office, was it?
Shane Mosley though, is a rejuvenated fighter. I am not sure he will ever be as good as he was when he beat Oscar de la Hoya but certainly last time out against Antonio Margarito, he looked sharp, he looked slick and he looked like he was back in love with fighting.
And that is one thing we have never been able to say about Floyd Mayweather. When it comes down to it, I am not sure he has the heart to go to war...

Oscar De La Hoya was supposed to take Mayweather out of his comfort zone and he still beat him without ever needing to get out of 2nd gear.

I can't get how bad Mosley looked against Mayorga out of my head, so i don't see him upsetting the odds. He will have success, but Floyd is too good for anyone out there.

Originally Posted by ono

Originally Posted by 0james0

Now I know many of you might not be Glen's biggest fan, I'm certainly not always, but found this quite interesting, this is from his Skysports News blog:


The fight is not until next weekend, but I wanted to get this out there first: Shane Mosley beats Floyd Mayweather.

There you go, I've said it. You can quote me on it. Tune into Sky Sports in the early hours of May 2nd and you will see the end of Mayweather, I'm telling you.
Like most people, I've been thinking about this fight a lot. And the more I think about, the more I analyse it, the more I look at the fighters involved, the more I think Mosley is going to win.

When this fight was first made, I'll admit I was siding with Mayweather. But then I started to think. I started to think back to after that comeback win over Juan Manuel Marquez, when Mosley jumped in the ring, interrupted his interview and started calling him out.
We were all sat there rightly reflecting on a great performance from Mayweather, then all of a sudden, Mosley came tearing into view shouting his mouth off. I have never been one to jump on the Mayweather bandwagon, but at the time, I had plenty of sympathy for him because it was his moment.

The first thing I thought back then was 'pick on someone your own size, stop bullying him'. And the more I think about it, that is the crucial factor here: Mosley is just too big. And fast. And probably too strong. In fact, compared to Floyd he is massive.
Reputations

That means, for the first time in 14 years and 41 fights as a professional, Mayweather is going to be taken out of his comfort zone. Never mind the greatest boxer in history, he should go down as the greatest match-maker in history because he books the best fights for himself; the right fighters at the right time. But for some reason, I think he's blown it this time, I really do.
I know Emanuel Steward shares the same view - that Floyd loves the comfort zone. I was also talking to HBO's Larry Merchant out in Florida the other weekend and he agrees.
He made the point that Mayweather is considered a great fighter but has never really been in a fight, never mind a great fight. Now I know dear old Larry might take an eternity to say something, but he knows his boxing inside out and doesn't pander to people's egos or reputations. And I think he's right.
That is what makes this fight so exciting for us all. Because he is bigger, and at least as quick, Mosley will make Floyd fight. And none of us, not even the man himself, know what is going to happen then. What happens when it all falls down, when he's got nothing else in there? What have you got Floyd? What have you got?
Yes, he has great skills and he is a master of defensive boxing, but what will happen when the call to arms comes? I think he will be found wanting, I really do.

Rejuvenated

Mayweather is considered a great, but I am starting to have second thoughts as to whether he can be considered a true great. I remember covering his fights in places like Portland, Fresno and Grand Rapids at a time when none of the casinos in Las Vegas wanted to touch him.
He was president of the 'Who Wants Him? Club' and I can't recall one boxer down the years who has managed to re-invent himself so dramatically to go from being grossly unpopular to an all-time great.
I actually think Ricky Hatton had a lot to do with where Floyd is now. Ricky's draw and his fan-base raised Mayweather's profile because until then, what he had showed us, wasn't exactly box office, was it?
Shane Mosley though, is a rejuvenated fighter. I am not sure he will ever be as good as he was when he beat Oscar de la Hoya but certainly last time out against Antonio Margarito, he looked sharp, he looked slick and he looked like he was back in love with fighting.
And that is one thing we have never been able to say about Floyd Mayweather. When it comes down to it, I am not sure he has the heart to go to war...

Oscar De La Hoya was supposed to take Mayweather out of his comfort zone and he still beat him without ever needing to get out of 2nd gear.

I can't get how bad Mosley looked against Mayorga out of my head, so i don't see him upsetting the odds. He will have success, but Floyd is too good for anyone out there.

The Mayorga fight was a move back to 154 and Mayorga was really, really heavy in that fight. That plus his very unorthodox style makes Mayorga a harder prospect than people give him credit for. He's tricky enough when he's on his game.