Thread: Betting on the 3rd Round KO

Is this just a show of confidence or could it be considered (given the way the fight played out) collusion and perhaps close to being a fixed fight? I mean if Paul Briggs a guy with a legit physical problem can #1 Get a fight and #2 Get penalized for getting KO'd in the 1st round then shouldn't an athletic commission look into this?

I don't think it's against any rules nor should it be. Didn't Kiko Martinez bet his entire camp's purse on the fact that he would KO Dunne in the first round? Nothing wrong there.

It definitely looks like a fix. If you google "haye/audley betting scandal" you'll see bookmakers all over Britain are up in arms over it and have refused to pay out.

Personally I think they should fine Haye 50% of his £5 million purse and ban him for two years. Audley should get the electric chair.

The whole betting problem though could be stopped if you were simply not allowed to bet of any kind on yourself.

Haye could have put £100k on him NOT knocking Audley out in the first round, that's easy if you don't throw any punches! You can guarantee extra money by fixing parts of a fight and it's still legal in boxing?

Part of the prediction is probably bravado, but it's the principle we all know Haye is shafting as many people as he can to get as much money as he can.

Yup and we should take Ali out of the hall of fame because he correctly predicted the round he would defeat his opponant on more than one occasion.

Double standards as usual......

Originally Posted by Hornfinger

Yup and we should take Ali out of the hall of fame because he correctly predicted the round he would defeat his opponant on more than one occasion.

Double standards as usual......

Well Hornfinger you bring up a good comparison, but did Ali bet on himself? I know Jack Dempsey's trainer bet on a 1st round KO when he fought Willard and Dempsey legitimately tried for it and had a case for it (had Willard had it to do over again I think he would have given up in that round given the damage he took).

But this begs the question, "Why the 3rd round?" Why not the 1st or 2nd or 5th? I mean betting on a KO is one thing, betting on a round especially not the first (in my eyes) is kind of bogus...it means someone can be carried and in this case you can definently say someone was carried and that's unsportsmanlike (purely from a betting standpoint).

HF I'm just asking a question I'm not trying to rile anyone up...just a legit innocent question, so no need to bristle about it

Originally Posted by amat

I don't think it's against any rules nor should it be. Didn't Kiko Martinez bet his entire camp's purse on the fact that he would KO Dunne in the first round? Nothing wrong there.

Acceptable, but a 1st round KO wouldn't involve carrying a fighter to a certain round before stopping them....I just see that as a slight difference from a betting standpoint of course

How do you know ali didn't bet on himself?

Originally Posted by Hornfinger

How do you know ali didn't bet on himself?

I don't which is why I asked you if you knew...I thought that was an interesting and relevant point that you made (even if you were being facetious when you brought up Ali).

I mean I don't see a problem with carrying a fighter if you want to punish them or what have you and I certainly know that even if you plan to KO a fighter in a certain round your opponent can certainly have other plans in mind. Just from a betting perspective it seems a little off is all...and plus I didn't like how Paul Briggs got treated (and I am certain most other fight fans agree with me on that) so I was trying to point out that double standard.

The difference is paul briggs went down without being punched. At least Audley went down after being smacked about and got back up. Also the ref waved it off after 3 or 4 shots after audley got back up. Audley could easily have stayed down.

Originally Posted by Hornfinger

Yup and we should take Ali out of the hall of fame because he correctly predicted the round he would defeat his opponant on more than one occasion.

Double standards as usual......

I think the last time you were sucking on Haye's nut sack, it got caught in your throat and cut off your air supply and you are brain damaged.

Originally Posted by Hunter

Originally Posted by Hornfinger

Yup and we should take Ali out of the hall of fame because he correctly predicted the round he would defeat his opponant on more than one occasion.

Double standards as usual......

I think the last time you were sucking on Haye's nut sack, it got caught in your throat and cut off your air supply and you are brain damaged.

I have a point then. Because instead of trying to argue it or tell me why I'm wrong you go to name calling like a baby.

Thanks for letting me know I have a valid point.

you cant stop a boxer from betting on himself! thats my opinion

as for others

hopkins bet the 50k he was paid by golden casino to hgave their name on his back during the trinidad fight. but t distinguish he bet it on himself to win, not to ko in a certain round

Originally Posted by oakleyno1

you cant stop a boxer from betting on himself! thats my opinion

as for others

hopkins bet the 50k he was paid by golden casino to hgave their name on his back during the trinidad fight. but t distinguish he bet it on himself to win, not to ko in a certain round

It's illegal for pro baseball players to bet on themselves, it's illegal for basketball players to bet on themselves......could Pepe Reina bet on a Liverpool match and not get in trouble? It's illegal for tennis players to bet on themselves.

I'm just saying it seems as if boxing is the last place where nobody looks at the competitors betting on themselves.

I just think it's a conflict of intrests for the sport to allow this to continue to happen...it's a bit like insider trading what with the fighter telling his friends and family what the result was going to be before the fight happened.

Unless Audley himself bet on Haye to win in the 3rd round, I really don't see how this is possibly a fix?

It would be like discovering that Manny Pacquiao or friends of his had bet on him to win by decision the other night, and therefore lambasting him for not getting the stoppage over Margarito in the last couple of rounds.

Any fighter should be free to bet on themself by any means they feel confident of winning, I mean think about it. In order for a boxer to actually be confident in laying down his own money to win by KO in a GIVEN ROUND, he needs to be vastly superior than his opponent. If the bookies can't see this when they make the odds or what not, then it's their problem.

Haye to win the fight by any means shouldn't have payed out a bean, and Audley would've been a 783 to 1 dog if people didn't have the wool pulled over their eyes for that one.