Thread: James DeGale vs George Groves (full amateur fight)

Can't wait for the pro version.

It will be a classic if that is anything to go by.

i might have to watch it again but that looked like a clear win for degale to me 3 rounds to 1 imo.

I know amateur scoring is a load of dog wank but it looked as though Groves only won the final round.

I like Groves and would love to see him win next month but not sure he will. both acted with class after the decision, bit of a celebration after for groves then when he went to speak to degale, degale wasn't interested and looked like a sore loser he could have at least shook hands. Maybe thats just me.

Degale looks vulnerable with his hands low but Groves might struggle to take advantage. Either way i got my ticket and i can't wait!

It was close and Degale is a sore loser.

awe i hope george does the business

and id like to see a KO

Originally Posted by armyash

i might have to watch it again but that looked like a clear win for degale to me 3 rounds to 1 imo.

I know amateur scoring is a load of dog wank but it looked as though Groves only won the final round.

I like Groves and would love to see him win next month but not sure he will. both acted with class after the decision, bit of a celebration after for groves then when he went to speak to degale, degale wasn't interested and looked like a sore loser he could have at least shook hands. Maybe thats just me.

Degale looks vulnerable with his hands low but Groves might struggle to take advantage. Either way i got my ticket and i can't wait!

Amateur scoring isn't based upon rounds, it works upon an idea of scoring punches. I've noticed people who haven't boxed tend to put a pro slant on amateur fights and expect it to be the same (sorry that isn't supposed to read as patronising as it does). Their two very different games, and to be honest being an amateur fighter myself, I tend to enjoy myself and get a lot more value for money at club shows then I do at 90% of pro shows.

As it is, I think DeGale landed a few more scoring punches over the bout and probably edged it, but his behaviour to a fellow clubmate is a joke. Two of our boys, Charlie Harrison & Craig Whyatt had to fight each other in the ABAs, and Craig lost a very close Majority Decision that most of us including myself thought he'd won. As disappointed as he was (considering he's been working towards it all year), he made sure the first thing he did was congratulate Charlie.

I still like DeGale, and I know a lot of people who say he's cool, and I think he's got the potential to go further than Groves so I'll still root for him, but you're representing your club when you behave like that.

complete pick`em that was but i suspect if you spoke to the majority of "boxing" fans that night they would tell you de gale won that

makes me even more convinced that JDG will have him out of there inside 8rounds, i honestly thought groves gave him a lesson in the amateurs, he most certainly did not

i think its a stamina thing

i think they are evenly matched and in the first 6-8 rounds it could go either way, in fact i think groves hits a bit harder so he has a chance of an earlyish knockout

i reckon tho degale is so relaxed and waists so little energy he will still be fresh when it moves to the middle rounds, where as groves has quite and energetic style

Originally Posted by erics44

i think its a stamina thing

i think they are evenly matched and in the first 6-8 rounds it could go either way, in fact i think groves hits a bit harder so he has a chance of an earlyish knockout

i reckon tho degale is so relaxed and waists so little energy he will still be fresh when it moves to the middle rounds, where as groves has quite and energetic style

Knowing people who've fought both in the ams, Groves is reckoned to be a much harder puncher, with DeGale a bit quicker in terms of handspeed & a lot in terms of feet & head movement.

Obviously that will have changed a bit given how they've been affected by the pro style, but I'd say it's still fairly accurate.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by erics44

i think its a stamina thing

i think they are evenly matched and in the first 6-8 rounds it could go either way, in fact i think groves hits a bit harder so he has a chance of an earlyish knockout

i reckon tho degale is so relaxed and waists so little energy he will still be fresh when it moves to the middle rounds, where as groves has quite and energetic style

Knowing people who've fought both in the ams, Groves is reckoned to be a much harder puncher, with DeGale a bit quicker in terms of handspeed & a lot in terms of feet & head movement.

Obviously that will have changed a bit given how they've been affected by the pro style, but I'd say it's still fairly accurate.

I reckon that's pretty clear to see from that fight. DeGale looks noticeably quicker but slaps worse than Calzaghe, so it's obvious people would say Groves, who has shown a good dig in the pros too, was the harder puncher. Although DeGale has also shown he's not a powderpuff hitter.

Groves has better success in the third round when he starts feinting/picking his spots before just rushing in letting the punches go, quite interesting as I always criticize him for over cloning Haye's style but it looks like he definitely needed some serious polish.

What a great prospects fight. I just hope it doesn't turn into a quick mismatch. If it does - I'm confident DeGale is the winner.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by erics44

i think its a stamina thing

i think they are evenly matched and in the first 6-8 rounds it could go either way, in fact i think groves hits a bit harder so he has a chance of an earlyish knockout

i reckon tho degale is so relaxed and waists so little energy he will still be fresh when it moves to the middle rounds, where as groves has quite and energetic style

Knowing people who've fought both in the ams, Groves is reckoned to be a much harder puncher, with DeGale a bit quicker in terms of handspeed & a lot in terms of feet & head movement.

Obviously that will have changed a bit given how they've been affected by the pro style, but I'd say it's still fairly accurate.

I reckon that's pretty clear to see from that fight. DeGale looks noticeably quicker but slaps worse than Calzaghe, so it's obvious people would say Groves, who has shown a good dig in the pros too, was the harder puncher. Although DeGale has also shown he's not a powderpuff hitter.

Groves has better success in the third round when he starts feinting/picking his spots before just rushing in letting the punches go, quite interesting as I always criticize him for over cloning Haye's style but it looks like he definitely needed some serious polish.

What a great prospects fight. I just hope it doesn't turn into a quick mismatch. If it does - I'm confident DeGale is the winner.

Yeah, a definite frustration with DeGale is how he doesn't always turn his punches over. I think cloning Haye's style is a problem for him because he lacks the same athleticism and I think that more than anything else is what will do for him against Chunky.

It is a great prospects fight, I just hope that the loser can still comeback from it.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by erics44

i think its a stamina thing

i think they are evenly matched and in the first 6-8 rounds it could go either way, in fact i think groves hits a bit harder so he has a chance of an earlyish knockout

i reckon tho degale is so relaxed and waists so little energy he will still be fresh when it moves to the middle rounds, where as groves has quite and energetic style

Knowing people who've fought both in the ams, Groves is reckoned to be a much harder puncher, with DeGale a bit quicker in terms of handspeed & a lot in terms of feet & head movement.

Obviously that will have changed a bit given how they've been affected by the pro style, but I'd say it's still fairly accurate.

I reckon that's pretty clear to see from that fight. DeGale looks noticeably quicker but slaps worse than Calzaghe, so it's obvious people would say Groves, who has shown a good dig in the pros too, was the harder puncher. Although DeGale has also shown he's not a powderpuff hitter.

Groves has better success in the third round when he starts feinting/picking his spots before just rushing in letting the punches go, quite interesting as I always criticize him for over cloning Haye's style but it looks like he definitely needed some serious polish.

What a great prospects fight. I just hope it doesn't turn into a quick mismatch. If it does - I'm confident DeGale is the winner.

Yeah, a definite frustration with DeGale is how he doesn't always turn his punches over. I think cloning Haye's style is a problem for him because he lacks the same athleticism and I think that more than anything else is what will do for him against Chunky.

It is a great prospects fight, I just hope that the loser can still comeback from it.

Groves doesn't have Haye's one punch power to quickly end/turn a fight either. Although I did hear him acknowledge this the other week so maybe they are working on throwing more punches.

I hope the loser does well too. I reckon Haye/Booth already have his Thompson loss in mind should Groves lose. Plenty of time to come back.

Groves is holding his left much higher than he does now. He should try and get away from the Haye style a bit for this fight. De Gale will win easily I think.

Originally Posted by Fenster

I reckon that's pretty clear to see from that fight. DeGale looks noticeably quicker but slaps worse than Calzaghe, so it's obvious people would say Groves, who has shown a good dig in the pros too, was the harder puncher. Although DeGale has also shown he's not a powderpuff hitter.

Groves has better success in the third round when he starts feinting/picking his spots before just rushing in letting the punches go, quite interesting as I always criticize him for over cloning Haye's style but it looks like he definitely needed some serious polish.

What a great prospects fight. I just hope it doesn't turn into a quick mismatch. If it does - I'm confident DeGale is the winner.

Im pretty sure it wont be a missmatch

rightly degale has been hailed for his win over smith, it was a great performance

i was singing his praises at the time

but having reflected it was only really great because of the stage of his career he is at, both groves and degale should really go well past where smith has been at

smith is pretty slow and cumbersome and doesnt hit hard and doesnt throw fast punches, he is good at most things without really excelling at anything, and thats only at a level

Groves has fought better opposition than degale, maybe smith would be the best out of all the combined fighters they have fought but it would be close

list all their opponents, and rank them, without geeking on boxrec id say something like

smith
anderson
adamu
that mexican fella
samuels

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Fenster

I reckon that's pretty clear to see from that fight. DeGale looks noticeably quicker but slaps worse than Calzaghe, so it's obvious people would say Groves, who has shown a good dig in the pros too, was the harder puncher. Although DeGale has also shown he's not a powderpuff hitter.

Groves has better success in the third round when he starts feinting/picking his spots before just rushing in letting the punches go, quite interesting as I always criticize him for over cloning Haye's style but it looks like he definitely needed some serious polish.

What a great prospects fight. I just hope it doesn't turn into a quick mismatch. If it does - I'm confident DeGale is the winner.

Im pretty sure it wont be a missmatch

rightly degale has been hailed for his win over smith, it was a great performance

i was singing his praises at the time

but having reflected it was only really great because of the stage of his career he is at, both groves and degale should really go well past where smith has been at

smith is pretty slow and cumbersome and doesnt hit hard and doesnt throw fast punches, he is good at most things without really excelling at anything, and thats only at a level

Groves has fought better opposition than degale, maybe smith would be the best out of all the combined fighters they have fought but it would be close

list all their opponents, and rank them, without geeking on boxrec id say something like

smith
anderson
adamu
that mexican fella
samuels

actually i forgot about dilks

he would probly beat samuels, but i reckon degale got that fight handed on a plate