Thread: Martinez-Ishida in the works???

Seems Dibella is willing to go with Ishida-Martinez this fall.

Bombs away: DiBella nominates Kirkland conqueror Ishida for Martinez - National Boxing | Examiner.com

So Ishida and all of his 9 ko's is an 'exciting slugger' now?

It really sucks that there aren't some real challengers out there for Martinez. He needs to move up (or back down) in weight.

I also heard Peter Manfredo and CHavez Jr. could be his next opponents. Seems like he doesn't have too many options.

Martinez has fought all comers. If he takes a light touch right now ok. Then maybe after Chavez jr we'll see

Chavez Jr will not be fighting Sergio Martinez anytime soon. Just a hunch....Why not give Williams another shot, he gave Sergio a chance at redemption. Why all of a sudden he's too good for PW? It was one huge punch, I highly doubt Williams takes the same risky approach if they make a part 3.

Originally Posted by No Contest

Chavez Jr will not be fighting Sergio Martinez anytime soon. Just a hunch....Why not give Williams another shot, he gave Sergio a chance at redemption. Why all of a sudden he's too good for PW? It was one huge punch, I highly doubt Williams takes the same risky approach if they make a part 3.

I bet the plan is to wait to see what happens in the June 4th match between Chavez Jr. and Zbik. If Chavez Jr. wins, they'll try to make that fight.

If you're the Punisher's handlers, do you put him in the ring with Maravilla again anytime soon? That "one punch" you referred has taken Paul Williams out of boxing for the last six months and it looks like it could be a year before he gets back in the ring. Contrast that with when Paul Williams lost to Quintana, he was back in the ring within two months. To be honest, I believe, and there are many others like me, that Martinez would be 2-0 against Williams if the first fight wasn't promoted by Al Haymon. At any rate, Williams needs at least two warm-up fights before this should even be considered by either side. It's like saying Librado Andrade deserves a third fight with Bute. Do we really need to see that? The first fight was close, but I think the second fight answered any questions about that particular match-up. Sergio is just better.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Martinez has fought all comers. If he takes a light touch right now ok. Then maybe after Chavez jr we'll see

Haha, brilliant

He's the Middleweight Champ, there's no excuse for this shitty match-up. It was on the basis that Dmitry Pirog only beat a prospect in Danny Jacobs that Maravila's people have ignored him so how can they say Ishida is all good??

There are people saying Martinez is the best fighter in the world, well when was the last time either or the two guys above him fought an opponent on the level of Ishida. I'd say you're looking at Hector Velaszquez & Henry Brusseles, but in both those cases they were mandated to fight them & neither were for world titles.

I get fighting Chavez Jr, he may likely be the mandatory plus there's a ton of money in it, but a voluntary against Ishida is a joke, particularly if Pirog is just jammin' in Russia.

Rant,

Haymon doesn't promote fights, he manages fighters, but his contacts are largely to do with TV companies rather than those in boxing officialdom. I also thought Sergio won the first fight, but it was close & I figured his loss had more to do with the fact Williams was the name at that point than any kind of corruption. I agree on everything else though, a 3rd fight sees Williams get waxed, particularly if he has that idiot Peterson in his corner.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Martinez has fought all comers. If he takes a light touch right now ok. Then maybe after Chavez jr we'll see

Haha, brilliant

He's the Middleweight Champ, there's no excuse for this shitty match-up. It was on the basis that Dmitry Pirog only beat a prospect in Danny Jacobs that Maravila's people have ignored him so how can they say Ishida is all good??

There are people saying Martinez is the best fighter in the world, well when was the last time either or the two guys above him fought an opponent on the level of Ishida. I'd say you're looking at Hector Velaszquez & Henry Brusseles, but in both those cases they were mandated to fight them & neither were for world titles.

I get fighting Chavez Jr, he may likely be the mandatory plus there's a ton of money in it, but a voluntary against Ishida is a joke, particularly if Pirog is just jammin' in Russia.

Rant,

Haymon doesn't promote fights, he manages fighters, but his contacts are largely to do with TV companies rather than those in boxing officialdom. I also thought Sergio won the first fight, but it was close & I figured his loss had more to do with the fact Williams was the name at that point than any kind of corruption. I agree on everything else though, a 3rd fight sees Williams get waxed, particularly if he has that idiot Peterson in his corner.

Jaz, makes sense. I was being cynical. But, I agree, it was probably due to his name.

The fight hasn't been signed yet so let's wait to heep criticism on him. I just read that Ishida is promoted by Canelo and Canelo has a ton of pull on HBO. If Sergio wants a stay busy fight so be it, as long as the next fight is against someone real. I think the card proposed was Pirog v. Manfredo and Martinez v. Ishida, which would lead into a Winter 2011 Pirog v. Martinez if both won. That makes sense because it gives Martinez a breather, he stays active, and then he takes a unification fight.

Pirog's KO of Jacobs was nasty. No one will argue with you about that. However, he lost his new-found momentum by taking too long off between fights and then after the long lay-off, staying in Russia and fighting some unheralded Argentine. To make matters worse, from what I understand, his performance was flat.

Sergio Martinez's problem of the lack of available opponents was exacerbated this weekend after Kirkland and Lemieux bit the dust. Now who does he fight? He even has less options than previously if you can believe it. Literally, the only truly competitive fights out there for him are Pirog or Sturm given that Cotto isn't fighting him. There really isn't anyone else. I want to see him face Sturm more than Pirog. But, I understand that Sturm won't ever leave Germany.

Yes it is truly ashame Martinez can't get a major fight. He should wait until May 7 and by in the ring during the post fight if Manny wins. But Manny don't want that. He's now talking 140 is his best weight. Anyways, all the top fighters at 154 and 160 are busy and Martinez is stuck at ringside. If he can't get a big fight soon I wouldn't mind sseeing Martinez vs Dirrell.

By the way, Williams said he wanted a 3rd fight but IMO, I don't think he really meant it. But for certain, the Williams camp didn't want a 3rd fight. The next time we see P. Williams, it will be at 154 or 147. Not 160! And someone with no real pop. Like Sergio Mora

Originally Posted by Ant Live

Yes it is truly ashame Martinez can't get a major fight. He should wait until May 7 and by in the ring during the post fight if Manny wins. But Manny don't want that. He's now talking 140 is his best weight. Anyways, all the top fighters at 154 and 160 are busy and Martinez is stuck at ringside. If he can't get a big fight soon I wouldn't mind sseeing Martinez vs Dirrell.

By the way, Williams said he wanted a 3rd fight but IMO, I don't think he really meant it. But for certain, the Williams camp didn't want a 3rd fight. The next time we see P. Williams, it will be at 154 or 147. Not 160! And someone with no real pop. Like Sergio Mora

The thing is Martinez is a 160lber obsessed with fighting a pair of WWs, neither of whom is a natural at that weight class. I like him a lot, but neither of those guys come in on fight night at anywhere near 160, so why go up to fight him there. It's like saying that Gamboa is ducking Bradley.

There's still the likes of Sturm & Pirog who fights could be made against, not to mention that there are a number of promising Middleweights coming through like Golovkin, Guerrero, Jacobs & Korobov. There's even some more LMWs if he's desperate. Or if he wants to show he's the best fighter in the world step up to 168 & take on a Bute or at least a Stieglitz. He's the name at 154-160 seeing as HBO is now behind him so I'm sure he can get some decent fights.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Jaz, makes sense. I was being cynical. But, I agree, it was probably due to his name.

The fight hasn't been signed yet so let's wait to heep criticism on him. I just read that Ishida is promoted by Canelo and Canelo has a ton of pull on HBO. If Sergio wants a stay busy fight so be it, as long as the next fight is against someone real. I think the card proposed was Pirog v. Manfredo and Martinez v. Ishida, which would lead into a Winter 2011 Pirog v. Martinez if both won. That makes sense because it gives Martinez a breather, he stays active, and then he takes a unification fight.

Pirog's KO of Jacobs was nasty. No one will argue with you about that. However, he lost his new-found momentum by taking too long off between fights and then after the long lay-off, staying in Russia and fighting some unheralded Argentine. To make matters worse, from what I understand, his performance was flat.

Sergio Martinez's problem of the lack of available opponents was exacerbated this weekend after Kirkland and Lemieux bit the dust. Now who does he fight? He even has less options than previously if you can believe it. Literally, the only truly competitive fights out there for him are Pirog or Sturm given that Cotto isn't fighting him. There really isn't anyone else. I want to see him face Sturm more than Pirog. But, I understand that Sturm won't ever leave Germany.

Yeah, I was being overly harsh just because the same people who tear Manny & Floyd up for terrible comp (when they probably have the 2 best resumes in the sport) say it's cool for Martinez to have a breather (which I think it is, he's fought a load of hard fights). I've no problem with the criticism, but you either have one rule for all the top fighters in the world or none at all.

I still think Ishida is an awful fight though, he's really . I totally get what you're saying though, it was a terrible weekend for Sergio. I don't think Kirkland would be anywhere near ready for him, but Lemieux despite being one-dimensional as I said beforehand was the kind of draw & has the power to make it interesting. I'd still have said he doesn't make it beyond the 4th, but his one-punch power (particularly against those low hands) gave him more of a shot.

How do you consider Pirog unworthy but make a play for Manfredo and then when the real governing body Hbo refuses it, throw the ball to Ishida? If 160 were any dryer it would be a used briquette. Kirkland and Lemieux get beat and the division folds. What did Williams do, go join the Monks of New Skete? Get back on the horse man and do the third fight.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by Ant Live

Yes it is truly ashame Martinez can't get a major fight. He should wait until May 7 and by in the ring during the post fight if Manny wins. But Manny don't want that. He's now talking 140 is his best weight. Anyways, all the top fighters at 154 and 160 are busy and Martinez is stuck at ringside. If he can't get a big fight soon I wouldn't mind sseeing Martinez vs Dirrell.

By the way, Williams said he wanted a 3rd fight but IMO, I don't think he really meant it. But for certain, the Williams camp didn't want a 3rd fight. The next time we see P. Williams, it will be at 154 or 147. Not 160! And someone with no real pop. Like Sergio Mora

The thing is Martinez is a 160lber obsessed with fighting a pair of WWs, neither of whom is a natural at that weight class. I like him a lot, but neither of those guys come in on fight night at anywhere near 160, so why go up to fight him there. It's like saying that Gamboa is ducking Bradley.

There's still the likes of Sturm & Pirog who fights could be made against, not to mention that there are a number of promising Middleweights coming through like Golovkin, Guerrero, Jacobs & Korobov. There's even some more LMWs if he's desperate. Or if he wants to show he's the best fighter in the world step up to 168 & take on a Bute or at least a Stieglitz. He's the name at 154-160 seeing as HBO is now behind him so I'm sure he can get some decent fights.

Martinez wants the big pay day. You can't really blame him. He also has said that he wouldn't fight Pacquiao because he is too small. He only brings up Manny to challenge his p4p status because he wants to be ranked #1. As an aside, if Manny takes a Cotto rematch after he beats Mosley and Martinez fought and dominated Pirog, there is a good argument that Martinez deserves #1. Manny fights Berto and he retains the #1 spot.

Mayweather fought Oscar at 154 a few years ago, so a fight at 154 against Martinez isn't completely out there. Mayweather has a less risky and more lucrative fight against Pacquiao, so, Martinez is dreaming if he really believes that fight would ever get made.

It makes sense that Martinez would challenge Cotto. Cotto is true junior middleweight now in as much as Martinez is a true middleweight. If Martinez was willing to come down to 154 to make the fight happen, I don't see why it can't be made, leaving everything else aside. Of course, it won't be made and Margacheato will get another big pay day.

Speaking of super middleweights, I don't think Sergio should make that jump regardless of the money, at least not yet. He's only fought at middleweight for two fights.

In regards to the middleweights you mentioned, Jacobs was knocked out by Pirog, so, he shouldn't be on that list anymore if anything because he is still rebuilding. Korobov is still fighting 8 round fights - he isn't even close to ready for Martinez. Guerrero is a little further along than the others, but he struggled with Ishe Smith, granted it is easy to struggle against Ishe Smith, but Guerrero is still a prospect. Golovkin is boggled down in promotional problems, and he is scheduled to fight N'Dam in June. http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-...-monaco--37504 . A win over N'Dam would give him the best resume. I think he is eyeing Sturm's belt after that from what I read. He's the best of the bunch you mentioned. But, I mean, he wouldn't make any sense to fight now. He's a risk and no one knows who he is. At middleweight, there are really only two names: Sturm and Pirog. Sturm won't fight anyone worthy so hopefully the Pirog fight gets made in the near future.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Jaz, makes sense. I was being cynical. But, I agree, it was probably due to his name.

The fight hasn't been signed yet so let's wait to heep criticism on him. I just read that Ishida is promoted by Canelo and Canelo has a ton of pull on HBO. If Sergio wants a stay busy fight so be it, as long as the next fight is against someone real. I think the card proposed was Pirog v. Manfredo and Martinez v. Ishida, which would lead into a Winter 2011 Pirog v. Martinez if both won. That makes sense because it gives Martinez a breather, he stays active, and then he takes a unification fight.

Pirog's KO of Jacobs was nasty. No one will argue with you about that. However, he lost his new-found momentum by taking too long off between fights and then after the long lay-off, staying in Russia and fighting some unheralded Argentine. To make matters worse, from what I understand, his performance was flat.

Sergio Martinez's problem of the lack of available opponents was exacerbated this weekend after Kirkland and Lemieux bit the dust. Now who does he fight? He even has less options than previously if you can believe it. Literally, the only truly competitive fights out there for him are Pirog or Sturm given that Cotto isn't fighting him. There really isn't anyone else. I want to see him face Sturm more than Pirog. But, I understand that Sturm won't ever leave Germany.

Yeah, I was being overly harsh just because the same people who tear Manny & Floyd up for terrible comp (when they probably have the 2 best resumes in the sport) say it's cool for Martinez to have a breather (which I think it is, he's fought a load of hard fights). I've no problem with the criticism, but you either have one rule for all the top fighters in the world or none at all.

I still think Ishida is an awful fight though, he's really . I totally get what you're saying though, it was a terrible weekend for Sergio. I don't think Kirkland would be anywhere near ready for him, but Lemieux despite being one-dimensional as I said beforehand was the kind of draw & has the power to make it interesting. I'd still have said he doesn't make it beyond the 4th, but his one-punch power (particularly against those low hands) gave him more of a shot.

Ishida is an awful fight. It isn't even remotely competitive. Hell, Peter Manfredo or Andy Lee arguably would be better. I would only give him a pass if it was on the same card as Pirog v. Manfredo, and Martinez's next fight was Pirog.

Originally Posted by No Contest

Chavez Jr will not be fighting Sergio Martinez anytime soon. Just a hunch....Why not give Williams another shot, he gave Sergio a chance at redemption. Why all of a sudden he's too good for PW? It was one huge punch, I highly doubt Williams takes the same risky approach if they make a part 3.

Did you watch the fight? Martinez was hitting him with his Right hand over and over. There were probably 5 cracking shots that Williams took before the KO. I mean whip crack sounding shots. No way he got Lucky against Williams whatsoever. I fully expected Martinez to crush him in that rematch. But, I think Williams could make the trilogy something great, but he hasn't even had a tune up fight. That AND he already said he is going back down to WW or JMW. Sux because nobody would be dumb enough to put their prospect in with PWill. I still think he is that good. He just climbed too high in weight. God I hate promoters