Thread: Who does Pac fight next?

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by CFH

Marquez. Pacquaio will knock him out.

Sure PAC will ko Marquez having him fight at 147 will put lead plates on JMM and place him at a big disadvantage. Plu


s JMM is older and has show
n age in last couple of fights being so easy to hit. JMM will take anything PAC offers and sell himself out. Fight at 147, sure take the tests! of JMM will not do ask that of PAC. What other option is there he has tucked in all the washed up old former champions and Arum's marketing has made him look greater than he really is. The next question is which former chamion has recently lost and is fragile mentally but can bring interest = Berto. I keep hearing how no young fighter has earned the right so cancel Ortiz too young, fast and dangerous. PBF ...... Will not take tests so JMM at a disadvantage weight class is only option. The substitute Berto but I doubt it. Bradley no power or appeal. But Pac huggers will find a way to justify like this recent Mosley and recent past fights .The better question is who after JMM?

All this weight disparity thing with Marquez is an urban legend blown way out of proportion. Marquez is not obligated to make 147 if the fight is made their. He can weigh in at 141. Manny consistently weighs in at 145 and is probably only a few pounds heavier at fight time. Fact of the matter is they would be just a few pounds apart at fight time and theirs really no size mismatch at all. Think about when Armstrong first went to 147 he had to drink small lakes to make himself appear bigger on the scales.

If an urban legend, why did PAC make catch weight guidelines with previous fights?

Because he's a small welter weight.

You are complete joke so only PAC warrants special treatment? JMM is an even smaller welterweight so the fight should be at 140! So if PAC fight Martinez he should fight at Martinez weight class no if's and or butt' s (like you)

Whats with the insults you mental midget? I said their is no size difference and if there is it would be but a few pounds at fight time. You then asked why Manny asked for catchweigts and I answered that to.Btw I hate catchweights with a passion and am no fan of Manny so put a cork in it. If you want to talk boxing then talk boxing and if you want to talk shit then talk to yourself.

Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

From a legacy perspective I can only think of three fights that matter

Floyd
JMM at 135
A suicide mission to win the legitimate middleweight title against Sergio Martinez

I don't see any of those happening.

From a moneymaking point of view? The following could be boxed up to sell I suppose
JMM at 140-147
Zab (stilla dangerous guy)
Kahn
Bradley
Ortiz

Well spoken but suicide is how legends are made . Now a days they are made on PPV, Blogs and social sites by non boxing fans on Facebook. Sugar Ray Leonard fought guys on their terms not what PAC is doing/ done. The JMM fight should be at 135.140 is midground, 147 unacceptable or yes a PBF left over end result.

Otherwise follow protocol and fight a top 1-2 contender. Stop fueling the situation!

It should be Marquez but after Marquez fights this summer against a junior welterweight. Marquez talks about fighting David Diaz; Diaz is a lightweight and wouldn't help Marquez adjust to the higher weight class he would be fighting Pac at. If Marquez takes a David Diaz fight at 135 before he fights Pacquiao then it is confirmation that he is going into the Pacquiao fight just for the check. Unlike Mosley, Marquez, however, is a warrior and will go out on his shield.

Other than Marquez, I like Bradley as Pacquiao's next opponent because Bradley will bring the fight for all 12 rounds. Bradley will head butt and do it ugly and Manny will be forced to fight through a little adversity. Manny will win but it will be fun while it lasts.

Judah will lose the next time he steps up in competition. Mark my words. He really lost against Matthyse, let's be honest.

Khan and Pacquiao won't fight eachother.

Sergio Martinez is too big for Pacquiao but a win over Sergio Martinez is the only remaining fight other than PBF that does anything for his legacy although perhaps a dramatic ko over Marquez improves it a bit too.

Ortiz would be fun, for about 4/5 rds. then Pac KO's him very similar to Hatton.

The more time passes the more it benefits Pac to fight JMM.
Last night it should have been JMM in that ring.

It just sucks because JMM is getting older and slower while Pac doesn't stop.

Still I back JMM to finally get his due "W" over the #1 p4p fighter in the world.

I just realized Zab "Peanut Head" Judah has racked up some wins.
Seeing as Pac thought SSM was worthy and noticeable opponent.
I would not be surprised if we saw Zab vs. Pac next...

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by CFH

Marquez. Pacquaio will knock him out.

Sure PAC will ko Marquez having him fight at 147 will put lead plates on JMM and place him at a big disadvantage. Plu


s JMM is older and has show
n age in last couple of fights being so easy to hit. JMM will take anything PAC offers and sell himself out. Fight at 147, sure take the tests! of JMM will not do ask that of PAC. What other option is there he has tucked in all the washed up old former champions and Arum's marketing has made him look greater than he really is. The next question is which former chamion has recently lost and is fragile mentally but can bring interest = Berto. I keep hearing how no young fighter has earned the right so cancel Ortiz too young, fast and dangerous. PBF ...... Will not take tests so JMM at a disadvantage weight class is only option. The substitute Berto but I doubt it. Bradley no power or appeal. But Pac huggers will find a way to justify like this recent Mosley and recent past fights .The better question is who after JMM?

All this weight disparity thing with Marquez is an urban legend blown way out of proportion. Marquez is not obligated to make 147 if the fight is made their. He can weigh in at 141. Manny consistently weighs in at 145 and is probably only a few pounds heavier at fight time. Fact of the matter is they would be just a few pounds apart at fight time and theirs really no size mismatch at all. Think about when Armstrong first went to 147 he had to drink small lakes to make himself appear bigger on the scales.

If an urban legend, why did PAC make catch weight guidelines with previous fights?

Because he's a small welter weight.

You are complete joke so only PAC warrants special treatment? JMM is an even smaller welterweight so the fight should be at 140! So if PAC fight Martinez he should fight at Martinez weight class no if's and or butt' s (like you)

Whats with the insults you mental midget? I said their is no size difference and if there is it would be but a few pounds at fight time. You then asked why Manny asked for catchweigts and I answered that to.Btw I hate catchweights with a passion and am no fan of Manny so put a cork in it. If you want to talk boxing then talk boxing and if you want to talk shit then talk to yourself.

So then you agree the fight should be at no more than 140? JMM fought at 145 vs PBF and was soooooooooooslow and fat arounf the mid section.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.

He even looked slow in recent wins against Michael Katsidis (dropped), Juan Diaz at 135 and got clocked repeatedly. So now he should jump up to 147 and eat Pac's recipe for doom ? Absurd

i think if the floyd fight doesn't happen, he should just retire, he's cleaned the sport out, if he retires now he goes down as one of the greatest. But regardless of what they say, i think floyd and manny both NEED each other, its a fight that has to happen, the rematch, and maybe a trilogy and then they can both retire and be p4p number 1 and 2 because i personally think they have surpassed many fighters out there, were looking at speacial fighter here folks.

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.

He even looked slow in recent wins against Michael Katsidis (dropped), Juan Diaz at 135 and got clocked repeatedly. So now he should jump up to 147 and eat Pac's recipe for doom ? Absurd

So, we agree, he just doesn't have it like he used to. It's not a weight class issue - it's the fact that at this point in time, Pacquiao is just on a different level than he is.

ortiz young fast power prime.

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Ortiz would be fun, for about 4/5 rds. then Pac KO's him very similar to Hatton.

The more time passes the more it benefits Pac to fight JMM.
Last night it should have been JMM in that ring.

It just sucks because JMM is getting older and slower while Pac doesn't stop.

Still I back JMM to finally get his due "W" over the #1 p4p fighter in the world.

I just realized Zab "Peanut Head" Judah has racked up some wins.
Seeing as Pac thought SSM was worthy and noticeable opponent.
I would not be surprised if we saw Zab vs. Pac next...

Hahaha! Mick! It never fails to give me a chuckle whenever I am reminded of that term that you just brought out... "Peanut head"

I believe this is the nick that Muhammad Ali "endearingly called Larry Holmes back in the day.

Anyway... I once called a big, bad bully the same term... "peanut head", in reference to the odd shape of his head, froze him right on the spot, befuddled! Harhar!

***** ***** *****

...Anyway, I hope that when Pac and JMM get it on for the third time, out of respect for both greats, the timing will equally still be relevant for both men in terms of their respective health and career significance... Please... none of the Roy Jones-Bernard Hopkins 2 variety.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.

He even looked slow in recent wins against Michael Katsidis (dropped), Juan Diaz at 135 and got clocked repeatedly. So now he should jump up to 147 and eat Pac's recipe for doom ? Absurd

So, we agree, he just doesn't have it like he used to. It's not a weight class issue - it's the fact that at this point in time, Pacquiao is just on a different level than he is.

No, only that JMM genetically did not move above 130 as pharmaceutically as PAC. Fight should be at 135 but PAC will have it at 147. Big advantage period but more so with every increase in weight class. Plus JMM I believe has aged more.

As much as I'd love for Pacquiao to fight JMM a third time. I can't see it happening unless it's at 147 or around that. JMM is starting to slow down a bit, he struggles early but adapts and dominates late, but he is starting to slow down just a little bit. I think he would still cause Pacquiao problems at 135, or heck even maybe at 140. But at 147 I think Marquez at his age right now would look slow, and his reflexes wouldn't be as responsive. Pacquiao can fight at 147 and 140, this is a given and he can fight comfortably at either weight. But I don't see him fighting Marquez at any weight that isn't 147.

So if we were looking at Welterweights Pacquiao would fight next, assuming it isn't PBF. He might fight Ortiz next. Maidana would be a pointless fight in which we'd hope for a slugfest but wouldn't really prove anything we don't already know. After Mosley there really isn't too many 147 pounders that are shot enough to make it a catch weight fight. So Im getting the feeling that Pacquiao will probably fight someone in some kind of catch weight 145 fight against a 140 pound title holder. And the guy out there most likely to fold due to Pacquiao's style, would be Zab Judah. I mean think about it, Pacquiao is out to fight Mayweathers last opponents and 'beat them' better than he did, Zab Judah just won a 140 pound title whatever that means nowadays, and people felt Zab was Mayweathers toughest fight at 147, so if Pacquiao fights and beats him next, then that just adds to it. That plus Judah is shown to fold under pressure, which is what Pacquiao does.

So my guess is the next guy Pacquiao fights will probably be Zab Judah. The story is there, the suspect chin is there, the tendency to fold is there, and the title is there. So that would be the best next fight for Pacquiao.

Pacquiao will be retired anyway by the time this kid turns professional anyway

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Not if Marquez is smart. The weight is not what is going to make it a mismatch. It is the age and time since the last fight. marquez has declined since their last fight while Pac has improved (although he was a bit sloppy looking last night with the feet and didn't use the right hand enough).

Marquez has to be smart. Don't be any bigger than when he fights at 135. He walks into the ring around 144 in those fights.

Pac weighed in at 145. But he isn't gaining much weight before going into the ring. No unofficial scale last night, but I don't believe he weighed but 148 or 149 when he fought Margacheato.

So Marquez, be as close to normal and come into the ring at 144. Pac comes into the ring that night at 149.

Marquez gives up 4-5 pounds in weight in the ring. That is less pounds than Berto gave up to Ortiz when they fought. When they weighed in, Berto was 145, Ortiz was 147. But when they got in the ring, Berto was 155 and Ortiz was 161. 6 pounds difference.

Marquez tried to get bigger when he faced Floyd. He gained 4-5 pounds. He weighed in 142. He weighed 148 in the ring (only 4 pounds more than his lightweight fights). But those 4 pounds made him look slow as hell.

So Marquez just needs to come in normal weight, let Pac be normal weight, give up 4-5 pounds in the ring (and that size difference will be less than the size difference guys see in quite a few fights at welterweight).

so I looked it up. Pac weighed 148 vs Margarito when he got in the ring.
Marquez weighed 145 in the ring against Katsidis.