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    Default Who does Pac fight next?

    Of course we would all want Pac to fight Mayweather, but let's be honest that fight happeneing next is very slim. So who does he fight next?

    I'm thinking Ortiz or Bradley would make the 2 best candidates. With my ideal choice would be Ortiz, even though he just moved up from 140 looks to be massive on fight night as in at least 160 pounds. It would be an exciting fight also with their 2 styles.

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    Default Re: Who does Pac fight next?

    It'll be a third fight with Marquez, in November 2nd or 3rd week I'm hearing. We all know he's not fight Floyd yet again.

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    Default Re: Who does Pac fight next?

    Marquez. Pacquaio will knock him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Marquez. Pacquaio will knock him out.
    Sure PAC will KO Marquez having him fight at 147 will put lead plates on JMM and place him at a big disadvantage. Plus JMM is older and has shown age in last couple of fights being so easy to hit. JMM will take anything PAC offers and sell himself out. Fight at 147, sure take the tests! of JMM will not do ask that of PAC. What other option is there he has tucked in all the washed up old former champions and Arum's marketing has made him look greater than he really is. The next question is which former chamion has recently lost and is fragile mentally but can bring interest = Berto. (Arum formula) I keep hearing how no young fighter has earned the right so cancel Ortiz is too young, fast and dangerous. PBF ...... PAC will not take tests so JMM at a disadvantage weight class is only option. The substitute Berto but I doubt it. Bradley has no power or appeal. However Pac fans will find a way to justify this match like this recent Mosley fight and recent past fights .The better question is who after JMM?
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    Default Re: Who does Pac fight next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Marquez. Pacquaio will knock him out.
    Sure PAC will ko Marquez having him fight at 147 will put lead plates on JMM and place him at a big disadvantage. Plus JMM is older and has show
    n age in last couple of fights being so easy to hit. JMM will take anything PAC offers and sell himself out. Fight at 147, sure take the tests! of JMM will not do ask that of PAC. What other option is there he has tucked in all the washed up old former champions and Arum's marketing has made him look greater than he really is. The next question is which former chamion has recently lost and is fragile mentally but can bring interest = Berto. I keep hearing how no young fighter has earned the right so cancel Ortiz too young, fast and dangerous. PBF ...... Will not take tests so JMM at a disadvantage weight class is only option. The substitute Berto but I doubt it. Bradley no power or appeal. But Pac huggers will find a way to justify like this recent Mosley and recent past fights .The better question is who after JMM?
    All this weight disparity thing with Marquez is an urban legend blown way out of proportion. Marquez is not obligated to make 147 if the fight is made their. He can weigh in at 141. Manny consistently weighs in at 145 and is probably only a few pounds heavier at fight time. Fact of the matter is they would be just a few pounds apart at fight time and theirs really no size mismatch at all. Think about when Armstrong first went to 147 he had to drink small lakes to make himself appear bigger on the scales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Marquez. Pacquaio will knock him out.
    Sure PAC will ko Marquez having him fight at 147 will put lead plates on JMM and place him at a big disadvantage. Plu


    s JMM is older and has show
    n age in last couple of fights being so easy to hit. JMM will take anything PAC offers and sell himself out. Fight at 147, sure take the tests! of JMM will not do ask that of PAC. What other option is there he has tucked in all the washed up old former champions and Arum's marketing has made him look greater than he really is. The next question is which former chamion has recently lost and is fragile mentally but can bring interest = Berto. I keep hearing how no young fighter has earned the right so cancel Ortiz too young, fast and dangerous. PBF ...... Will not take tests so JMM at a disadvantage weight class is only option. The substitute Berto but I doubt it. Bradley no power or appeal. But Pac huggers will find a way to justify like this recent Mosley and recent past fights .The better question is who after JMM?
    All this weight disparity thing with Marquez is an urban legend blown way out of proportion. Marquez is not obligated to make 147 if the fight is made their. He can weigh in at 141. Manny consistently weighs in at 145 and is probably only a few pounds heavier at fight time. Fact of the matter is they would be just a few pounds apart at fight time and theirs really no size mismatch at all. Think about when Armstrong first went to 147 he had to drink small lakes to make himself appear bigger on the scales.
    If an urban legend, why did PAC make catch weight guidelines with previous fights?
    Last edited by Addicted to Boxing; 05-08-2011 at 07:32 PM.

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    Default Re: Who does Pac fight next?

    Pac "pussifies" present and potential opponents... that said, I think he should just retire, for fights where he would excel, the slambang affair, will be slim to non existent.

    The fights that are left no longer present interest despite being money fights.

    He should just take solace in the fact that he fought the best opponents on credit and left everything in the ring every fight night.

    Let the naysayers have a field day... not only will they not have enough garbage to taint his name, they too will only sound libelous and defaming, but only cheaply compared "wannabe's" to that of the Mayweathers.
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    Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

    I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

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    Default Re: Who does Pac fight next?

    I guess JMM but I dont think pac would get as much credit.

    Beside Floyd there is nobody 140-147 that is near Pacs level. Bradley, Khan, Ortiz, Maidana, Berto I honestly think would be an easy KO win for pac.

    I think Pac would get the most credit if he fights Martinez and that is what I want. I am hoping that fight happens next. Pac vs Martinez would be huge and is the only fight Pac would be the underdog in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julius Rain View Post
    I guess JMM but I dont think pac would get as much credit.

    Beside Floyd there is nobody 140-147 that is near Pacs level. Bradley, Khan, Ortiz, Maidana, Berto I honestly think would be an easy KO win for pac.


    I think Pac would get the most credit if he fights Martinez and that is what I want. I am hoping that fight happens next. Pac vs Martinez would be huge and is the only fight Pac would be the underdog in.
    I agree but at some point he needs to fight an up and comer to combat the angle that he Cherry picks old washed up fighters. Are you a boxing fan or in it for Pac only? Thinking Martinez is way too much unless they think they can catch weight him. At the rate Martinez is fighting and the opponents vs Pacs he has no leverage to pull off the catchweight unless Martinez is stupid. I also find it offensive as a fight fan that Pacs promoters and Pac fans can sell marquee names with losses in previous 1-3 fights above the names you mentioned like Kahn, Berto, Ortiz, Bradley. How did Mosley deserve the fight? How did EM deserve the 3rd fight after his rune up loss? Then you factor in PBF beating common opponents first. Why are you so taken by the fact Pac's achievements are questioned? I do not recall such a journey as open to ridicule. Arum is too blame his only concern is his pocket books. I just hope no drug use ever surfaces as it would erase everything and bring great shame to the great /prideful Filipino people. Which ties to the theme as to why he will not take the test!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

    I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM
    JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

    I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM
    JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.
    Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

    I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM
    JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.
    Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.
    He even looked slow in recent wins against Michael Katsidis (dropped), Juan Diaz at 135 and got clocked repeatedly. So now he should jump up to 147 and eat Pac's recipe for doom ? Absurd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

    I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM
    JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.
    Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.
    He even looked slow in recent wins against Michael Katsidis (dropped), Juan Diaz at 135 and got clocked repeatedly. So now he should jump up to 147 and eat Pac's recipe for doom ? Absurd
    So, we agree, he just doesn't have it like he used to. It's not a weight class issue - it's the fact that at this point in time, Pacquiao is just on a different level than he is.

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    Default Re: Who does Pac fight next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

    I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM
    JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.
    Not if Marquez is smart. The weight is not what is going to make it a mismatch. It is the age and time since the last fight. marquez has declined since their last fight while Pac has improved (although he was a bit sloppy looking last night with the feet and didn't use the right hand enough).

    Marquez has to be smart. Don't be any bigger than when he fights at 135. He walks into the ring around 144 in those fights.

    Pac weighed in at 145. But he isn't gaining much weight before going into the ring. No unofficial scale last night, but I don't believe he weighed but 148 or 149 when he fought Margacheato.

    So Marquez, be as close to normal and come into the ring at 144. Pac comes into the ring that night at 149.

    Marquez gives up 4-5 pounds in weight in the ring. That is less pounds than Berto gave up to Ortiz when they fought. When they weighed in, Berto was 145, Ortiz was 147. But when they got in the ring, Berto was 155 and Ortiz was 161. 6 pounds difference.

    Marquez tried to get bigger when he faced Floyd. He gained 4-5 pounds. He weighed in 142. He weighed 148 in the ring (only 4 pounds more than his lightweight fights). But those 4 pounds made him look slow as hell.

    So Marquez just needs to come in normal weight, let Pac be normal weight, give up 4-5 pounds in the ring (and that size difference will be less than the size difference guys see in quite a few fights at welterweight).

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