Thread: Was this a better version Glen Johnson than the 3rd Clinton Woods fight?

Because if it wasn't then Froch's win isn't very impressive and I fear for him against Ward

Originally Posted by BIG H

Because if it wasn't then Froch's win isn't very impressive and I fear for him against Ward

I don't know why Froch started so slowly, he seemed to respect Johnson a little too much, but take away the first few rounds and I think Froch dominated the fight, it was that really slow start that made it closer than it should have been. He definitely cannot afford to do this again against Ward. He needs to impose himself and make sure he isn't playing catchup because Ward seems a bit more canny than Taylor and is clearly far younger than Johnson.

Originally Posted by BIG H

Because if it wasn't then Froch's win isn't very impressive and I fear for him against Ward

I don't know what people expect from him though. He is what he is. He was never going to box Johnson's head off, because Johnson is too busy and too savvy to let that happen. And he presses hard. Froch was on a hiding to nothing with this fight really and i suspect he's just glad to get the win.

Froch's going to be one of those fighters who will always be in close fights. He makes too many technical errors and loses his concentration too much to thoroughly dominate a world class level opponent.

Still love him though. Proper fighter.

Originally Posted by ono

Originally Posted by BIG H

Because if it wasn't then Froch's win isn't very impressive and I fear for him against Ward

I don't know what people expect from him though. He is what he is. He was never going to box Johnson's head off, because Johnson is too busy and too savvy to let that happen. And he presses hard. Froch was on a hiding to nothing with this fight really and i suspect he's just glad to get the win.

Froch's going to be one of those fighters who will always be in close fights. He makes too many technical errors and loses his concentration too much to thoroughly dominate a world class level opponent.

Still love him though. Proper fighter.

Yeh, you'd deffo pay to watch him! He is an entertainer and this is the entertainment game at the end of the day. Love watching his fights.

I'll tell you this much...
It's gonna take a lot more than what he did last night to beat Ward.

Credit where credit is due, Froch is the kind of fighter whos willing to step in and fight anyone and you gotta respect that but for my likings all this hands to the side and one punch here one punch there. Quick flurry that hit the opponents guard can only take you so far.
I feel that Ward will walk away with the decision based on cleaner punching and ring generalship. I think Ward will close out strong dictating the pace of the fight.

It is amazing to me that Froch is as successful as he has been. He slaps with just about every punch, and he wings that uppercut from a mile away with his chin in the air. He does two things in particular that should get him knocked out, if he is ever in with a decent fighter: he walks in the ring, crossing his feet and actually walking when in range, and he regularly steps through with his right foot when he throws his right hand. Botha used to do the same thing, and it cost him many times.
Johnson hasn't got much. He missed many opportunities because his feet were often together when he should've been punching; he walks too. And with his gloves so high and tight, it takes him too long to get off any way.

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

It is amazing to me that Froch is as successful as he has been. He slaps with just about every punch, and he wings that uppercut from a mile away with his chin in the air. He does two things in particular that should get him knocked out, if he is ever in with a decent fighter: he walks in the ring, crossing his feet and actually walking when in range, and he regularly steps through with his right foot when he throws his right hand. Botha used to do the same thing, and it cost him many times.
Johnson hasn't got much. He missed many opportunities because his feet were often together when he should've been punching; he walks too. And with his gloves so high and tight, it takes him too long to get off any way.

Kess beat him convincingly IMO... I had the fight 116-112.
I think both Bute & Ward have the ring smarts to take advantage of his mistakes.

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

It is amazing to me that Froch is as successful as he has been. He slaps with just about every punch, and he wings that uppercut from a mile away with his chin in the air. He does two things in particular that should get him knocked out, if he is ever in with a decent fighter: he walks in the ring, crossing his feet and actually walking when in range, and he regularly steps through with his right foot when he throws his right hand. Botha used to do the same thing, and it cost him many times.
Johnson hasn't got much. He missed many opportunities because his feet were often together when he should've been punching; he walks too. And with his gloves so high and tight, it takes him too long to get off any way.

Wins over Pascal, Taylor, Abraham and Johnson suggest he's already dealt with decent fighters.

Truthfully, Johnson has been on the slide since the first Chad Dawson fight. So no it's a poorer version. All that said, I would definitely argue that Froch did better than Woods did against Johnson in any of their fights.

To all posts!!!!
Let's b honest froch wasn't at his usual pace just as Glen wasn't.

Wins over Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, and a FOTY with Kessler (and that fight was razor close), and people are still so critical of Froch. When he faces a decent fighter.... All the guys on that list were better than decent.

Yes, he does some things wrong. But who cares!!!! He makes up for it with heart. He comes to fight and when faced with adversity he doesn't cave.

Ward beats him but Froch is going to give it his all.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Truthfully, Johnson has been on the slide since the first Chad Dawson fight. So no it's a poorer version. All that said, I would definitely argue that Froch did better than Woods did against Johnson in any of their fights.

This post is confusing Jazster.

1. Johnson was a better fighter when losing to Woods.

2. Froch did better than Woods although he lost (according to you) against a worst version of Johnson.

Originally Posted by captainanddew

Wins over Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, and a FOTY with Kessler (and that fight was razor close), and people are still so critical of Froch. When he faces a decent fighter.... All the guys on that list were better than decent.

Yes, he does some things wrong. But who cares!!!! He makes up for it with heart. He comes to fight and when faced with adversity he doesn't cave.

Ward beats him but Froch is going to give it his all.

This

froch had am off night, or maybe johnson just made it duifficult

if froch has another off night he will probably lose to ward, but if ward has an off night he will lose to froch

in any case these are the 2 best super middles in the world and im looking foward to it

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Truthfully, Johnson has been on the slide since the first Chad Dawson fight. So no it's a poorer version. All that said, I would definitely argue that Froch did better than Woods did against Johnson in any of their fights.

This post is confusing Jazster.

1. Johnson was a better fighter when losing to Woods.

2. Froch did better than Woods although he lost (according to you) against a worst version of Johnson.

Ok, let me clarify. I believe Johnson was a better fighter then, but I also felt that Woods benefitted from being on home turf in all 3 fights. I thought he lost both the 1st & 2nd quite convincingly & the 3rd could've gone either way. Although I had the Froch-Johnson fight a draw, the reason that Froch was losing rounds was his own laziness in rounds 1-3 & 6-8. He didn't bother doubling up the jab or if he did he was in reverse so it wouldn't land. He seemed happy to only throw punches after Johnson had landed a hard shot. On a round by round it was even, but I reckon the overall feeling of the fight if you weren't scoring it was that Froch won if you get my drift. When he did step it up as he did in rounds 4,5 & 9-12 he showed how easy he could make it for himself. This also cost him badly in the Kessler fight where he let rounds slip away from him.