Thread: Looks like Cotto vs Margarito is on for December 3rd

Boxing - Margarito accepts Cotto fight

I fancy Cotto to take him apart this time.

Though it will never be proven we'll see that Marg's gloves were indeed loaded in that first fight I think.

Did Margarito already get the medical clearance to fight again?

Booooooo-urns.

Margarito knocks him out again. Cotto's chin hasn't gotten any better with ago, he will still have the same stamina problems, and Margarito's style is just all wrong for him. I also don't think Cotto will be able to hurt Margarito.

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Boxing - Margarito accepts Cotto fight

I fancy Cotto to take him apart this time.

Though it will never be proven we'll see that Marg's gloves were indeed loaded in that first fight I think.

Hey! we finally agree on something rjj tszyu.

I'd be interested in seeing this fight, it answers a lot of questions. I believe Miguel gets some revenge and payback in this one and stops Margo in the later rounds.

I believe Margarito has cheated before the Mosley fight, but I don't believe that he loaded his gloves in the Cotto fight. I think it all depends on how far gone Margarito's chin is. If he can take Cotto's shots for 5-6 rounds then I think he wins this as his pressure will overwhelm Miguel again. I hope I'm wrong. Should definitely be given a 24/7 or FC 360 imo. Cotto might be one of the most boring fighters alive, but Margarito is pure gold at playing the bad guy.

Originally Posted by CFH

Booooooo-urns.

Margarito knocks him out again. Cotto's chin hasn't gotten any better with ago, he will still have the same stamina problems, and Margarito's style is just all wrong for him. I also don't think Cotto will be able to hurt Margarito.

I disagree, I believe Cotto will definately be able to hurt Margo, especially after he's been softened up by Mosley and Pacquaio.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

I believe Margarito has cheated before the Mosley fight, but I don't believe that he loaded his gloves in the Cotto fight. I think it all depends on how far gone Margarito's chin is. If he can take Cotto's shots for 5-6 rounds then I think he wins this as his pressure will overwhelm Miguel again. I hope I'm wrong. Should definitely be given a 24/7 or FC 360 imo. Cotto might be one of the most boring fighters alive, but Margarito is pure gold at playing the bad guy.

Now I do think he had loaded gloves vs Cotto. If you watch how Cotto's face and nose in particular just seemed to get demolished by not that many punches I think there is some evidence pointing towards Margs gloves being loaded. Especially when you take into account the fact that Marg isn't a huge puncher too. Anyway that cannot be proven so there is no point really getting into it.

Agree that Marg is great at playing the bad guy but being a complete dick head certainly helps in that department . As for Cotto being boring I assume you mean outside the ring?

This year could well be turning into a good one for boxing, we have 2 meaningful fights at HW signed and ready to go (all being well), Pac is finally giving Marquez his chance to settle the score although slightly out of his comfort zone, Floyd is making a comeback against a fast young southpaw which is hopefully a sign that the Pac fight may be in sight providing they both come through, and now this controversial fight can be re fought and Cotto can get his revenge if he does indeed have what it takes. I think he will have too much for Marg and I see him outpointing him comfortably.

I begrudge Marg getting ANOTHER massive payday (he ain't done bad out of cheating has he?) but I hope Cotto knocks ten bells of shit out him just so we can all say "the gloves were definitely loaded" if Marg wins again then Cotto is simply not that good.

I hope Cotto demolishes him though because he's a nice guy and I love his style.

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Now I do think he had loaded gloves vs Cotto. If you watch how Cotto's face and nose in particular just seemed to get demolished by not that many punches I think there is some evidence pointing towards Margs gloves being loaded. Especially when you take into account the fact that Marg isn't a huge puncher too. Anyway that cannot be proven so there is no point really getting into it.

Agree that Marg is great at playing the bad guy but being a complete dick head certainly helps in that department . As for Cotto being boring I assume you mean outside the ring?

This year could well be turning into a good one for boxing, we have 2 meaningful fights at HW signed and ready to go (all being well), Pac is finally giving Marquez his chance to settle the score although slightly out of his comfort zone, Floyd is making a comeback against a fast young southpaw which is hopefully a sign that the Pac fight may be in sight providing they both come through, and now this controversial fight can be re fought and Cotto can get his revenge if he does indeed have what it takes. I think he will have too much for Marg and I see him outpointing him comfortably.

Margarito landed almost 250 power punches in that fight. Pacquiao landed a similar number & did a similar job on his face. I don't know about him not being a big puncher. Apart from early in his career when he was a teenager, he's stopped the majority. Post-fight he didn't behave in a way a man with loaded wraps would imo. Anyway I posted this in another thread, but it pretty much says why I feel he probably didn't in the Cotto fight.

I came to it from the angle that people kept asking why he would do it for the first time against Mosley. I'll say that I don't believe it was the first time he or his team attempted it. However, the only occasion previously that I strongly believe he may have done it was the Lujan fight, as on that occasion there was horrific damage done by punches which he seemingly wasn't putting all his force into & at the end he was in no rush to take off those gloves & when he did was heavily surrounded at all times by his team.

Anyway back to the Mosley question. If that was the first time there were a number of reasons why that might be. He had apparently been partying plenty after beating Cotto & had had real trouble with the weight & was reportedly really struggling in sparring. Add to that, Mosley still had his iron chin (which I can almost pinpoint the moment it cracked but that's another thread). Capetillo is a boxing man & would've looked at all that & thought 'shit, there could be real problems here'. He would've looked at Mosley's reach & foreseen real issues getting him to break in the way they did Cotto. Cotto let's bear in mind had chin issues long before Margs & as high as everyone was on him, the second half of the Mosley fight showed he had issues with stamina & output. Those would be exactly the kind of issues that Margarito with his chin, workrate & stamina would be able to test. I think there would be in fact far more reason to load for Mosley given the surrounding factors than otherwise.

As I said, I believe he maybe did do it before that, but only on occasions where he could get away with it and/or really needed to. A smaller venue show like the Lujan one coming off the back of the Santos loss or on 'home' turf in Cali would seem to fit that more than in Las Vegas against the guy who at that point seemed to be groomed as Top Rank's new poster boy & was being lined up to fight De La Hoya with a win. We'll never know, but let's face it Cotto looked much the same after Pacquiao landed a similar number of punches on it. Although don't go thinking I'm an apologist. I believe Margarito & Capetillo should've been banned for life just like Resto & Lewis were.

Anyway back to the other points, yeah I meant Cotto being boring as a person, obviously not as a fighter & yeah Margarito is a grade A cunt, so he is brilliant at playing the baddie.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Now I do think he had loaded gloves vs Cotto. If you watch how Cotto's face and nose in particular just seemed to get demolished by not that many punches I think there is some evidence pointing towards Margs gloves being loaded. Especially when you take into account the fact that Marg isn't a huge puncher too. Anyway that cannot be proven so there is no point really getting into it.

Agree that Marg is great at playing the bad guy but being a complete dick head certainly helps in that department . As for Cotto being boring I assume you mean outside the ring?

This year could well be turning into a good one for boxing, we have 2 meaningful fights at HW signed and ready to go (all being well), Pac is finally giving Marquez his chance to settle the score although slightly out of his comfort zone, Floyd is making a comeback against a fast young southpaw which is hopefully a sign that the Pac fight may be in sight providing they both come through, and now this controversial fight can be re fought and Cotto can get his revenge if he does indeed have what it takes. I think he will have too much for Marg and I see him outpointing him comfortably.

Margarito landed almost 250 power punches in that fight. Pacquiao landed a similar number & did a similar job on his face. I don't know about him not being a big puncher. Apart from early in his career when he was a teenager, he's stopped the majority. Post-fight he didn't behave in a way a man with loaded wraps would imo. Anyway I posted this in another thread, but it pretty much says why I feel he probably didn't in the Cotto fight.

I came to it from the angle that people kept asking why he would do it for the first time against Mosley. I'll say that I don't believe it was the first time he or his team attempted it. However, the only occasion previously that I strongly believe he may have done it was the Lujan fight, as on that occasion there was horrific damage done by punches which he seemingly wasn't putting all his force into & at the end he was in no rush to take off those gloves & when he did was heavily surrounded at all times by his team.

Anyway back to the Mosley question. If that was the first time there were a number of reasons why that might be. He had apparently been partying plenty after beating Cotto & had had real trouble with the weight & was reportedly really struggling in sparring. Add to that, Mosley still had his iron chin (which I can almost pinpoint the moment it cracked but that's another thread). Capetillo is a boxing man & would've looked at all that & thought 'shit, there could be real problems here'. He would've looked at Mosley's reach & foreseen real issues getting him to break in the way they did Cotto. Cotto let's bear in mind had chin issues long before Margs & as high as everyone was on him, the second half of the Mosley fight showed he had issues with stamina & output. Those would be exactly the kind of issues that Margarito with his chin, workrate & stamina would be able to test. I think there would be in fact far more reason to load for Mosley given the surrounding factors than otherwise.

As I said, I believe he maybe did do it before that, but only on occasions where he could get away with it and/or really needed to. A smaller venue show like the Lujan one coming off the back of the Santos loss or on 'home' turf in Cali would seem to fit that more than in Las Vegas against the guy who at that point seemed to be groomed as Top Rank's new poster boy & was being lined up to fight De La Hoya with a win. We'll never know, but let's face it Cotto looked much the same after Pacquiao landed a similar number of punches on it. Although don't go thinking I'm an apologist. I believe Margarito & Capetillo should've been banned for life just like Resto & Lewis were.

Anyway back to the other points, yeah I meant Cotto being boring as a person, obviously not as a fighter & yeah Margarito is a grade A cunt, so he is brilliant at playing the baddie.

The thing is the in the Cotto fight I think it was the 2nd round that a lot of the damage to the nose occurred and then as the fight went on and Cotto struggled more for air he was easier to hit and the damage just continued to mount. I believe he smashed Cotto's nose because he was cheating.

Also I think Lyle posted some photo's on here of Marg's wraps whilst he was celebrating his win vs Cotto and I must admit his wraps looked Suspicious. Anyway as I said before I have no way of proving he did cheat it is just my opinion that he did, but before the Mosley fight the thought never even crossed my mind and then hindsight kicked in and we all know how great a thing that can be.

Cotto just got his ass beat. The Cotto stans just needs to move on, seriously. Always some excuse when a guy that's in his prime loses.

Cotto caves the cheating bastard's eye in 8

looks like I have to re-new my sky for Pac man v JMM and this fight.

Originally Posted by Master

looks like I have to re-new my sky for Pac man v JMM and this fight.

Next time you call up to cancel you should tell them you're doing it because it's too expensive. They usually start offering you really cheap packages just to stay with them

What's the height and reach difference on them? Margarito by quite a bit?