Thread: The Hype with Saul Alverez (apologies if spelt incorrectly!)

I dont get it!?!?! He had had a draw, admittedly early in his career, two or 3 split decisions, and went the distance against Matthew Hatton, almost against Rhodes and more. Watching the Hatton fight the commentators were going mad saying how heavy his hands are etc and he is rated as the top welterweight prospect by most!? Now again he is only 20 BUT I dont get the hype at all for the reasons above (and I thought he did actually look pretty decent against Hatton) but everyone seems to be bigging him up and so on and i wondered why!?!!

Who can tell me lol and additionally surely he wont stand a chance vs pac... who thinks differently?

Originally Posted by oakleyno1

I dont get it!?!?! He had had a draw, admittedly early in his career, two or 3 split decisions, and went the distance against Matthew Hatton, almost against Rhodes and more. Watching the Hatton fight the commentators were going mad saying how heavy his hands are etc and he is rated as the top welterweight prospect by most!? Now again he is only 20 BUT I dont get the hype at all for the reasons above (and I thought he did actually look pretty decent against Hatton) but everyone seems to be bigging him up and so on and i wondered why!?!!

Who can tell me lol and additionally surely he wont stand a chance vs pac... who thinks differently?

He's only 20 and he's already this good. I think that's where the hype stems from.

The thing with being 'this good' as you say though is that he doesnt seem to be 'that good'. Perhaps im being harsh but any good up and coming fighter should be beating hatton and rhodes, they are gatekeepers. if he had taken them out in 3 or 4 rounds each fair enough but apart from have alot of pro fights, which he has had a few sd's i dont see what he has done to stand out as an outstanding prospect people on here and max kellerman rate him as

To be fair to Alvarez he didn't even try and take either Hatton or Rhodes out early, it was never part of his game plan to apply pressure for long periods. He was patient and simply better.

Name another 20 year old that is either that good or has had that many pro fights? He looks very composed and his shots look like they sting and his body isn't even finished growing yet.

I can see exactly why there is so much hype and I think he is doing the right thing. Beating 2 Brits on the bounce helps give him exposure in the UK and I'm sure he will strategically take on other fighters around this level to make him a household name across the globe, before stepping up to the world class operators, instead of the national class guys.

I really think the hype is 90% due to his unusual for a Mexican red hair and freckles. He's a novelty act. Going 12 rounds in successive fights with Lovemore Ndou, Matthew Hatton and Ryan Rhodes really doesn't speak power puncher to me.

So far all the fights I've seen him in have bored me.

I don't regard Adrian Broner as a power puncher really yet he destroyed a better opponent, in a single round and has a higher KO percentage than Canelo too.

At only 21 though you have to assume that he will get better. I imagine by the time he is 23/34 he will be a very solid fighter and tough to beat.

Right now they will need to keep matching him carefully.

I think Cintron would beat him right now.

Oakley, I completely see where you are coming from. Alvarez has looked good, not great, yet he is headlining HBO shows, doing impressive television ratings and selling out soccer stadiums. He's a rock star in Mexico. Generally, when prospects move up the ranks to facing top 10-20 boxers, they are fighting on ESPN2 or the undercard of HBO after dark shows. For example, Vanes Martirosyan is a former US Olympian of a similar world ranking as Alvarez who hasn't got near the exposure. Something doesn't add up. Much the same with Chavez Jr. You are correct that it has a lot to do with the novelty of a fair-skinned, red-haired Mexican.

All that said, he is only 20, we should give him time to develop. He doesn't belong in the ring with any top boxer at 154 now or in the near future. He wouldn't beat Angulo, Dzinziruk, or Cotto. However, as boxing fans, we should embrace him to an extent because his popularity is good for the sport. Let's just not allow the hype surrounding him to cloud our judgment of his actual boxing skill level. A good test for him is his mandatory - Vanes Martirosyan.

He is a very methodical strong kid with solid head and body attack. He also has great promotional ties and def is being groomed as the next golden child of sorts. The buzz is warranted but the hype can be blinding in this sport. He has had solid showcase platforms afforded to him on HBO against two spirited heavy bags and frankly it wasn't a question of 'who' but 'when' going into those. You could almost see him working on things in there, not exactly carrying them late but feeling and learning stamina which I get the feeling might be an issue. He has the best of both worlds with massive exposure, a world title and has not had to fight monsters to get it. He's been carefully matched for a guy with 38 fights, I dont care if he's 13 or 20. Hype and anointing a quality talent on a massive stage can be their downfall as everything is emphasized and undoubtedly scrutinized but he has got people talking and generated buzz so there is no going back now. Its time to step it up in comp.

It is strange to see him headlining HBO cards. Showtime fair enough, but a HBO main event seems a little early. But there's a lot of interest I guess and HBO put the fighters on that people want to see.

I do think he will be more Joel Julio than Floyd Mayweather as young prospects go.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

It is strange to see him headlining HBO cards. Showtime fair enough, but a HBO main event seems a little early. But there's a lot of interest I guess and HBO put the fighters on that people want to see.

I do think he will be more Joel Julio than Floyd Mayweather as young prospects go.

Yeh I think its a bad turn when it becomes more "American Idol" in grooming stars for HBO than making solid competive fights for fans. More and more we except it. Ya just shouldn't settle for seeing a great prospect in a one sided show where all things seem just a formality rather than an actual question. He's 20, I know

Originally Posted by Bilbo

It is strange to see him headlining HBO cards. Showtime fair enough, but a HBO main event seems a little early. But there's a lot of interest I guess and HBO put the fighters on that people want to see.

I do think he will be more Joel Julio than Floyd Mayweather as young prospects go.

Considering how much exposure they give Andre Berto, I think this pours some doubt on that argument.

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Good thing he's fighting at 154 then no? His handlers will never put him in with Sergio Martinez, Cotto is starting to show his years. And that about wraps it up.

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Fenster

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Good thing he's fighting at 154 then no? His handlers will never put him in with Sergio Martinez, Cotto is starting to show his years. And that about wraps it up.

Exactly. Mexifraud ain't ever getting near Martinez or even an ancient Cotto.

I've heard Golden Boy are already in talks with Colin Lynes, Young Mutley and Bradley Pryce for the Mexifraud's next outing. Fact.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Fenster

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Good thing he's fighting at 154 then no? His handlers will never put him in with Sergio Martinez, Cotto is starting to show his years. And that about wraps it up.

Exactly. Mexifraud ain't ever getting near Martinez or even an ancient Cotto.

I've heard Golden Boy are already in talks with Colin Lynes, Young Mutley and Bradley Pryce for the Mexifraud's next outing. Fact.

Well their plan to get the UK talking about him has worked, good or bad it's still publicity. I think HBO made is clear that long term they want to see him against JCC2, but in the mean time work on youse guys.
Not sure why you think he's a fraud though, he's not even old enough to drink stateside, and he's about the most active fighter in any kind of spotlight. I guess people want him knocking everyone out in 1-2 rounds, but that's not him and not the temperment his trainers are trying to put on him.

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Fenster

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Good thing he's fighting at 154 then no? His handlers will never put him in with Sergio Martinez, Cotto is starting to show his years. And that about wraps it up.

Exactly. Mexifraud ain't ever getting near Martinez or even an ancient Cotto.

I've heard Golden Boy are already in talks with Colin Lynes, Young Mutley and Bradley Pryce for the Mexifraud's next outing. Fact.

Well their plan to get the UK talking about him has worked, good or bad it's still publicity. I think HBO made is clear that long term they want to see him against JCC2, but in the mean time work on youse guys.
Not sure why you think he's a fraud though, he's not even old enough to drink stateside, and he's about the most active fighter in any kind of spotlight. I guess people want him knocking everyone out in 1-2 rounds, but that's not him and not the temperment his trainers are trying to put on him.

He's a fraud because VD, who is a boxing expert, says all the British fighters are useless frauds, even the ones that win "world" titles, so how can beating the Brits that ain't even known in their own country make you anything other than a padded record useless fraud?

VD is right.

Which means Alvarez is a Mexifraud.