Thread: sad state of boxing

last night after watching vitale stumble around the ring and listen to jim lamply and emanual stewart blow smoke up everyones ass about vitales greatness, i cant help but think how desperate hbo is . My wife who knows nothing about boxing was watching with me and asked who are these guys I said hes the heavy weight champion of the world, she thought i was kidding. maybe we are all kidding ourselves. the klitchko brothers are in my estimation the worst champions to come along ever. They both have limited movement, very basic boxing skills, extremely poor balance, hands low, chin exposed, back straight up. to many other things to mention. It amazes me to think no one is able to exploit these things. Says alot for the sorry state of the division. The david haye fight was even worse, Both of the fighters purses shouldve been given to charity. All the shit talking I thought someone would get killed, what a joke. It doesnt surprise me that MMA has grown in popularity, given the fact that the major networks air these fights, What really pissed me off was comparing vitale with goerge forman are you kidding me, foreman please i wont even respond to that one. Ive been watching fights since the 70s and have seen many great fighters, saad muhamad, salvador sanchez, welfredo gomez,marvin hagler,roberto duran etc. These two guys are not in the same league as these great fighters, The klitchko brothers are scared to engage, scared to get hit afraid to lose. In my opinion until both these guys are willing to lay it on the line youll never know how good{not great} they couldve been. Its way to late for that to happen. The major sanctioning bodies are to blaim as are the networks, The fans want to see manny and mayweather and other fights but itll never happen. To risky for mayweather. I dont know maybe im the only one who thinks this way but I know Im not blind.

Welcome. You're an idiot.

You don't like their style but they keep on winning don't they.

It might be boring but they doing a great job in winning..two heavyweight champion brothers.

I know your problem with the brothers. They beat anyone at heavyweight because they are too good and you think its the end of the world. But if there is no competition for Klitschko, doesn't mean boxing is in a sorry state. You have Froch vs Ward and Bhop vs Dawson coming for the undisputed titles at 168 and 175. Just accept reality and learn to give respect.

how dare they be better than everyone else! Curse them

This doesn't merit a response other than you're a little slow aren't ya.

To be fair to Bigmike, he is not far from the truth.

The Klit brothers are both very limited boxers who dominate the division purely because of the sheer size of them. They are not exactly the most exciting fighters the world has ever seen either. With the heavyweights being boxing's flagship division, it doesn't really help the sport to have 2 giants beating up on guys who are giving away 2 stone or more and a huge height and reach disadvantage.

A Superheavyweight division should be introduced to stop farces like last night happening anymore.

No one can deny that boxing isn't in good health at the moment. There was a time when everyone knew who the heavyweight champion of the world was, but no one who isn't a pretty hardcore boxing fan could tell you much about the division at the moment.

I've always been a huge boxing fan, but my interest has been in decline for years. My gripes are the usual gripes that everyone has, ie ridiculous fragmented "world titles" that mean nothing and allow champions to go almost their entire career avoiding the best in their weight division and even when big fights do happen it usually only occurs when one the fighters involved is past their best and looking for a payday.

You still get terrible hometown decisions like the Cox and Prescott fights ended in and all manner of other things that just kill the sport and make a mockery of the whole thing.

Here in the UK, there is no boxing at all on terrestrial television and that doesn't help either.

Originally Posted by bigmike

last night after watching vitale stumble around the ring and listen to jim lamply and emanual stewart blow smoke up everyones ass about vitales greatness, i cant help but think how desperate hbo is . My wife who knows nothing about boxing was watching with me and asked who are these guys I said hes the heavy weight champion of the world, she thought i was kidding. maybe we are all kidding ourselves. the klitchko brothers are in my estimation the worst champions to come along ever. They both have limited movement, very basic boxing skills, extremely poor balance, hands low, chin exposed, back straight up. to many other things to mention. It amazes me to think no one is able to exploit these things. Says alot for the sorry state of the division. The david haye fight was even worse, Both of the fighters purses shouldve been given to charity. All the shit talking I thought someone would get killed, what a joke. It doesnt surprise me that MMA has grown in popularity, given the fact that the major networks air these fights, What really pissed me off was comparing vitale with goerge forman are you kidding me, foreman please i wont even respond to that one. Ive been watching fights since the 70s and have seen many great fighters, saad muhamad, salvador sanchez, welfredo gomez,marvin hagler,roberto duran etc. These two guys are not in the same league as these great fighters, The klitchko brothers are scared to engage, scared to get hit afraid to lose. In my opinion until both these guys are willing to lay it on the line youll never know how good{not great} they couldve been. Its way to late for that to happen. The major sanctioning bodies are to blaim as are the networks, The fans want to see manny and mayweather and other fights but itll never happen. To risky for mayweather. I dont know maybe im the only one who thinks this way but I know Im not blind.

Neither Klitschkos are especially talented or exciting to watch, but they are the best out there right now unfortunately. And, unfortunately people have forgotten what really good or great heavyweights look like and so they many believe the Klitschkos are in the top 10 of all time, if not top 5 of all time.

Your opinion wont' be very popular around here, but I agree with you about how insulting it was to compare Vitali to George Foreman.

Also I disagree and think Pac and Mayweather will fight.

Originally Posted by bigmike

last night after watching vitale stumble around the ring and listen to jim lamply and emanual stewart blow smoke up everyones ass about vitales greatness, i cant help but think how desperate hbo is . My wife who knows nothing about boxing was watching with me and asked who are these guys I said hes the heavy weight champion of the world, she thought i was kidding. maybe we are all kidding ourselves. the klitchko brothers are in my estimation the worst champions to come along ever. They both have limited movement, very basic boxing skills, extremely poor balance, hands low, chin exposed, back straight up. to many other things to mention. It amazes me to think no one is able to exploit these things. Says alot for the sorry state of the division. The david haye fight was even worse, Both of the fighters purses shouldve been given to charity. All the shit talking I thought someone would get killed, what a joke. It doesnt surprise me that MMA has grown in popularity, given the fact that the major networks air these fights, What really pissed me off was comparing vitale with goerge forman are you kidding me, foreman please i wont even respond to that one. Ive been watching fights since the 70s and have seen many great fighters, saad muhamad, salvador sanchez, welfredo gomez,marvin hagler,roberto duran etc. These two guys are not in the same league as these great fighters, The klitchko brothers are scared to engage, scared to get hit afraid to lose. In my opinion until both these guys are willing to lay it on the line youll never know how good{not great} they couldve been. Its way to late for that to happen. The major sanctioning bodies are to blaim as are the networks, The fans want to see manny and mayweather and other fights but itll never happen. To risky for mayweather. I dont know maybe im the only one who thinks this way but I know Im not blind.

I can see your point, I just dont watch them because they bore me. Same if a one armed man was smart enough to box himself into a world champ position I'd watch once maybe twice to see what he has mastered in ordered to win then Id be off looking for excitement and full engagement instead of control.

Spen Okkte was the same, boring but did the job very well with limited ammo,you have to give them props but be stuffed if Im paying for it.

I think that was a rude welcome for a first time poster too. All over mistakenly writing 'Sad state of boxing' instead of sad state of the heavyweight division, which is what the post covers, that and hbo blowing smoke up everyones ass which is also true.

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

Originally Posted by miles

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Muhammad with two m's and Wilfredo with an i

I agree on the HBO being a over stuffed hype factory pushing product. Some of these younger guys now is like watching sausage being made and served still raw and cold.

Vitali has done all asked of him. If he's complete shit its up to someone to punch him in the mouth and beat him. Who is he not fighting that he should be ?

In my opinion the Heavyweight division has always been a bit overrated and unfortunately looked at as the motor that runs the car that is boxing. Those days are very far gone, thankfully. Frankly its a large pill to swallow for many American fans in regards to the hvy division passing them by now but we need to get over it.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by miles

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

Originally Posted by Nameless

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by miles

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

And he's over 40. Most are done by their early 30's or at best mid 30's. He's quality.