Thread: Bert Sugar on Mike Tyson, his legacy and chances against the Klitchko's

I think Klitchko.. at least Vlad wouldn't have had a good chance against Tyson.. his uppercuts would've taken his neck off!

Bert sure knows how to tell stories and be captivating and he's a very good boxing historian but he has the same problem as Lou Duva: he's putting the jewels of old way too high in the stack and can't be much objective.

Originally Posted by Nameless

Bert sure knows how to tell stories and be captivating and he's a very good boxing historian but he has the same problem as Lou Duva: he's putting the jewels of old way too high in the stack and can't be much objective.

different era fighters .. different rules applied ...
i believe that competition in the past was tougher.. there were more people boxing and they were boxing considerably more..

look how tough archie moore was, how many hundreds of power bombs he absorbed from Marciano and he was still standing after 8+ rounds. If Lewis or Klit absorbed even 1/2 of those it would be a carmine vingo story, sadly, for them. No dounbt the people were tougher back then, ITS ALL THE GMO FOODS, AND THE POLITICALLY-CORRECT LAWS, PEOPLE GOT WAY MORE SENSITIVE AND TOUCHY AND WEAK.

This twat pisses me off. He has to wear the panama hat and unlit cigar so people recognise him as the old twa off tv that talks shit.

He says Tyson had trouble with taller fighters?

Take a look at the scores for the Green, Tucker and Smith fights and tell me thats a fighter who was having trouble

Even unfit against Douglas he dropped him hard late in the fight. Against the Klitschkos if nothing else Mike knew how to get insidea and he would have kept up a good work rate and pushed them to at least a decision win. Neither like to work at a pace.

You could look at Lewis's record against Mercer, Mc Call, Rahman and Holyfield and say that he struggled with shorter men.

This twat pisses me off. He has to wear the panama hat and unlit cigar so people recognise him as the old twa off tv that talks shit.

dude relax a little

Wlad and Vitali have better legacies, I think. The longer the fight went Tyson's chances decrease.

Originally Posted by creationstory

Originally Posted by Nameless

Bert sure knows how to tell stories and be captivating and he's a very good boxing historian but he has the same problem as Lou Duva: he's putting the jewels of old way too high in the stack and can't be much objective.

different era fighters .. different rules applied ...
i believe that competition in the past was tougher.. there were more people boxing and they were boxing considerably more..

That's the thing, not necessarily and it doesn't mean that the great of today wouldn't have performed well in the past. I don't see any reasons why the Klitschko wouldn't have had at least very good chances to become champion too, Vitali was a monster in his prime and is still excessively dangerous even past his best years, Wlad has power, size and a very sound technique on his side. I am not saying they would win everything but they sure would have very good chances afainst anybody. If Vitali could absorb Lewis best punches and keep going on, you can be sure that he could eat Tyson bombs too and keep rolling

flippin ek i agree with virtually everything he said

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Wlad and Vitali have better legacies, I think. The longer the fight went Tyson's chances decrease.

I dont know weather i agree with this tho, well it depends what you mean by lagacy, in 30 years time the average man will still be raving about the tyson period but only really boxing fans will know anything about klits era

just like with the holmes era now, the average man knows Ali and Tyson and nothing in between

p.s. its not that ali and tyson would beat the klits, i dont think they would stand much chance, its just their eras and styles and charactors were miles more exciting and worth remembering

Bert Oh Bert what a plank.

The heavyweight division is do do, you just cannot say anything else about the division and level of opposition.

finally watched the bloody Ssugar clip. What a piece he is.......but I like him. Aand he's got it basically right.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

finally watched the bloody Ssugar clip. What a piece he is.......but I like him. Aand he's got it basically right.

You WOULD think that wouldn't you

"Mike Tyson's uppercuts would take their heads off"....yes, because the Klitschko's are ALWAYS getting hit with uppercuts. Bert is a caricature of what boxing pundits used to be, he's got the fedora, the stogey, and the raspy voice but the ONLY thing that matters to him is the past.

How would Wlad or Vitali fair vs Tyson? Objectively they seem pretty even match ups with the height and reach and weight going decisively in favor of the Klitschko's. True Mike Tyson could slip and counter his way inside with the best of them but the Cus D'Mato style had its flaws....namely tall fighters who controlled distance and sure Tyson got passed a right good few decent fighters like that, but its not as if he breezed his way through his entire career. Vitali I'm certain beats Tyson, the man never give up the body, he's extremely hard to catch flush and even when you do he won't go down. Wladimir has a 50/50 shot vs Tyson, 90/10 after round 5 just because once Wlad gets in rhythm he is a punisher, he makes guys quit and ....well truth be told, in those situations Tyson quit. The Klitschko's won't get their dues til after they retire and maybe then people will realize how damn great those guys are.

There's not 1 guy that Tyson beat that Wlad or Vitali couldn't beat.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

finally watched the bloody Ssugar clip. What a piece he is.......but I like him. Aand he's got it basically right.

You WOULD think that wouldn't you

"Mike Tyson's uppercuts would take their heads off"....yes, because the Klitschko's are ALWAYS getting hit with uppercuts. Bert is a caricature of what boxing pundits used to be, he's got the fedora, the stogey, and the raspy voice but the ONLY thing that matters to him is the past.

How would Wlad or Vitali fair vs Tyson? Objectively they seem pretty even match ups with the height and reach and weight going decisively in favor of the Klitschko's. True Mike Tyson could slip and counter his way inside with the best of them but the Cus D'Mato style had its flaws....namely tall fighters who controlled distance and sure Tyson got passed a right good few decent fighters like that, but its not as if he breezed his way through his entire career. Vitali I'm certain beats Tyson, the man never give up the body, he's extremely hard to catch flush and even when you do he won't go down. Wladimir has a 50/50 shot vs Tyson, 90/10 after round 5 just because once Wlad gets in rhythm he is a punisher, he makes guys quit and ....well truth be told, in those situations Tyson quit. The Klitschko's won't get their dues til after they retire and maybe then people will realize how damn great those guys are.

There's not 1 guy that Tyson beat that Wlad or Vitali couldn't beat.

Sanders put Vitali down!

Both Vitali and Wladimir panic when pressured they just javent had the competition. Wladimir doesnt come on strong his opponents lose heart. Thete os a misconception about Mike that he lost fpcis as a fight wore on. Like I said, look at the Tucker fight, a man that is more skilled than either Klitschko and watch how Mike beat him very comfortably. Who have either Klitschko beaten that is as good as Tyson? They havent and wont because the skill isnt out there. Vitali had his chance against an old Lewis.

Tyson beats both brothers comfortably let's not overate these guys due to lack of competition! Both brothers are very good however no point debating that anymore but neither beats tyson.

here's comes Lyle spreading his Limburger cheese on another thread.