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    Default Which fight do you think I did better in?

    I'm the one in full black

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    They're two months apart and they're both losses. I hoped to improve since my earlier fight and honestly, I really can't tell if I had a better performance or not. Thank you for your time and feedback.
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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    Brandon you got a set of balls and good chin mate you push the action but that is your style,you have zero jab and come forward very square shouldered so you present as a target that easier to hit at the moment due to your wade in footwork.
    I think you did better in the first fight, they are only three rounders but because of it they are flat out, if you really improve your cardio you will finish as strong as you start them, that could win you fights like the second one. Your arms were out there but you were tired. If you are going to be that type of fighter who wades in squared up you are going to have to work on uppercuts, hooks backed by great inner footwork and be able to throw in front of the oppositions shots and spoil their timing as they move. Work on fitness cardio and flexibility in legs and waist,work on moving on angels when you are slugging it out like you do instead of just trying to outwork them in there.
    Most of all work on not being so committed and square in every range. When at a distance use your jab and your timing off it and use it as control and when to gauge the time to move in and off of the lead jab while parrying with the rear hand. Your lead shoulder will protect your head more in that one leg forward style and its only a slight twist to be back into your prefered squared up (if thats how you wish to fight) on the inside (where you can get away with it more) If you like to fight square and use both hands equally you need to learn angels and how to get around to their flanks when in close so that you got two hands verses their one and catch them turning as they adjust to you. Go to the body too when you get used to ducking and twisting in close it will suit you, work on your hooks and upper cuts in there with your feet adjusting behind your angles for power.
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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    I played them side by side a while back and went through about 1/2 but came to the same conclusion as Andre; your movement was actually better in the first fight. I didn't want to say that because that can be hard to hear but it happens to most fighters. Rarely does improvement occur in a straight, steady manner.

    I am sure you are a student of the game. Try watching Jerry Quarry, Frazier too but not as much, Tyson would be third (you can only fight that style if you are incredibly fit). Quarry-Patterson is a good fight to see.

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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    How many bouts did your opponents have? And how many do you have?

    They looked a considerable bit more skilled than you, but thats good because you kept on coming and at least gave then something to think about. The first one was incredibly rangy so that was a tough fight. The second guy was a southpaw slickster. Of course your technique needs work, but i saw a good double hook and uppercut combo on the inside in the second fight. So just keep working on it.

    Like Andre said, work on getting your angles. You're ALWAYS squared in front of the guy, even when you had him on the ropes. Throw two or three shots and circle to your opponents side.

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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    Thanks for the advice, guys. Appreciate it. I don't know how much fights the other guys had but the first vid was my second fight, the other vid was my 4th. I actually take my time more and work my jabs when in sparring, but I felt that pressure to just constantly keep throwing to score points and maybe even TKO. That's just a mental thing I have to fix, to just stay calm.

    As for angles, I'm definitely working on it and drilling the hell out of them. But I thought when you get them on the ropes, it's best to stay square in front so it's more difficult for them to escape? If you move to the side, wouldn't they just move the other way?

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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    I think you did better in the first fight, which is funny because the height difference should have made it a little more difficult. The first two rounds were fairly good, obviously you flagged and slowed down in the 3rd. IMHO I think you could improve by being a little more methodical on closing the range, less rushing. While you still want to keep the agression and pressure style that you have naturally, it might help to keep on the 'brim of fire' distance and try to draw the opponents punches by convincing feints and work on slipping and countering his leads. This would probably work better against taller fighters. Against the second guy who was about the same height and reach as you, you may have done better if you had tried to outbox him a little more and used the jab, as others have commented. Your jab needs to be fast otherwise it won't worry anyone and they won't react to your feints.
    I wouldn't be too worried about comparing the fights in terms of progress because the opponents had very different styles and problems which you had to solve.

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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    For me there are alot of problems with what you do. First of no one of this guys were some kind of a puncher. If you box that way agains someone who stay at your level on his back leg you are going to eat all day long streight punches and upercuts and you want be able to hit him! When you are on your front leg, as you are all the time, you can throw only this looping right hand with no power in it, if the guy stays in front of you, and if he gets in a little crouch you will have nothing to hit! Second is the jab. You may use it only if the guy is going to his left and after you slip to your left, but if he stays in front of you in the right stance it is better to forget about it. If his head is over his right leg this means outside of your left hand you want be able to land it, or it will be realy easy to pary and counter you and the way that you are launging in, because of your weight positioning, will result in bad news for you.
    My point here is that you are fundamentally all wrong... You canĀ“t move, punch with balace and power, you get hit all the time and there is no understanding about the distance because of this. I will recomend to find some one who can explain the basic stuff first befor watching any one!

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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    Quote Originally Posted by karategan View Post
    As for angles, I'm definitely working on it and drilling the hell out of them. But I thought when you get them on the ropes, it's best to stay square in front so it's more difficult for them to escape? If you move to the side, wouldn't they just move the other way?
    Nothing is fixed like that in terms of what does and doesnt work.
    If they are losing and your are teeing off on them with both hands fair enough even better if they are in a corner.

    But if you are taking as many shots as they are with them on the ropes and you are square to them keeping them there, whats the point?

    Knowing the limits to each situation is the key. Reach and balance in regards to where they are and where you are.

    For instance imagine you are fully square and they step out to your right and you dont adjust your feet fully but turn to follow them with your shoulders (you are in a south front stance (and you havent even moved). shuffle your feet along following them and they have created the new angle for you).
    (It s just realization of the limits is all im getting at). Same goes the other way if they went to your left and you you did the same thing you'd be in natural front stance; you could still close the gap and follow them along. Each way your limits are that now your rear hand is out of range, but your front hand is further in range.
    They are your limits ,what limits has imposed on himself by moving either way what are his benefits? Think it all out if you are going to be a squared off in close pressure fighter.

    Now read Nikolas post again there are great points made there. He mentions head position in regard to front leg and how that limits straight punch attacks etc.
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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    It's really hard to tell because of how different the two opponents are.

    You definitely held up well against the guy with the longer range in the first fight

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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    Quote Originally Posted by karategan View Post
    Thanks for the advice, guys. Appreciate it. I don't know how much fights the other guys had but the first vid was my second fight, the other vid was my 4th. I actually take my time more and work my jabs when in sparring, but I felt that pressure to just constantly keep throwing to score points and maybe even TKO. That's just a mental thing I have to fix, to just stay calm.

    As for angles, I'm definitely working on it and drilling the hell out of them. But I thought when you get them on the ropes, it's best to stay square in front so it's more difficult for them to escape? If you move to the side, wouldn't they just move the other way?
    I know exactly what you mean. In my fights, i felt i had to throw as many punches as i could, at the expense of technique. I kept thinking, the clock is ticking, i have to keep throwing no matter how sloppy it is.

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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    The second guy was a pretty decent boxer and he was hitting you pretty good; he did something that was missing from the first fight, on both sides, and that is making the other guy miss. In that first fight you were so busy throwing punches that you consistently missed chances to land clean blows. Him dropping his right hand and throwing that uppercut from a mile away, for example.
    Stylistically you put yourself in a position of having to throw a million punches because you eat a million punches and, at some point, as you are going forward, you'll eat some very hard punches. With your weight forward and your body squared up there is not a punch that you are not vulnerable to being hit with.
    I think that your conditioning is actually pretty good for 4 fights is it? That is an ongoing endeavor, something you build over time. If anything, my assessment at this time might be that you've overemphasized conditioning in relation to developing skill, but I tend to see this sport backwards from a lot of other people and believe that you can develope both at once.
    If I were training you the first thing that we would do would be to tighten up the way you throw your punches, to make them sharper, more accurate and more effective, so they don't require so much energy to throw. By necessity that would mean improving your footwork and balance. Then we would work on your ability to parry and slip punches to create openings: those are wasted skills if your feet won't get you in position to exploit them, and if your punches and quick enough and hard enough to count. Developing sound defensive skill is, again, an ongoing process, so a good start would be drilling in a handful of go-to moves that you can start with right away.
    There's a ton of stuff to this and you've been given a lot of good advice, and areas to work on. Don't get discouraged if it takes a while to show results.

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    Default Re: Which fight do you think I did better in?

    From what I see in the video, I think the best thing for you to do is learn to hone your more defensive aspects of the game.

    1. Footwork. Footwork is an absolute beautiful thing. Watch Roberto Duran or Marvin Hagler pound the shit out of somebody. They have gorgeous standings when they do so.

    2. Reflexes. Best thing you can do is see those punches coming.

    3. Countering. There is nothing more important in the game of boxing, in my opinion, than using your opponents attacks against him.

    4. Head movement. Very, very important. As a smaller guy, learning how to slip punches or dip under an opponents arms would be useful to you. I'd recommend watching Rocky Marciano fight to see a really good dipping technique.

    Defense is everything. Get that squared up, and start having fun with Countering, and you'll be on your way to dominating offensively as well.

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