Thread: Same sex marriage

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

So are you offended by people that cheat on their spouses, or in fact simply lust over other people's spouses?

I'm not sure what point you are making? I don't have an opinion either way about what people get up to, including gay people, and religious people. I am against the forcing of other people's opinions onto society however.

If people want to have same sex relationships, or extra marital affairs, or fuck their siblings, their pets etc. Then fine, do what you want.

But when they try to make it so everybody else has to embrace their lifestyle and taking to court those who disapprove so that they suddenly become criminalised then I am entirely against that.

Yes, a couple have the right to be gay and live together. But equally other people have the right to believe that such a lifestyle is wrong.

Back to the original topic. I believe in civil partnerships with the couple having the same legal rights and tax breaks a straight couple would have. I am totally opposed to allowing same sex marriage in a Christian sense as it is explicitly clear that such a thing is in violation of what marriage is and nobody has the right to change another's faith and religion.

I can't speak for how it is in the UK, but civil unions in the US do not hold the same rights as marriage, for me that is where the problem lies. I do not have a Christian marriage, but I am legally married, does this violate what marriage is to you?

Then I am in agreement with you. I dont believe any group should suffer discrimination and gay couples wanting to commit to each other in lifelong partnership should absolutely have the same legal rights as straight couples.

They shouldn't have the right to be able to marry in a Christian church ceremony however as it clearly violates the biblical concept of what marriage is. Regarding other religions, it should be up to whatever that religion believes to be marriage that is upheld.

Again with your own marriage as I see it you are legally marrried and are married according to whatever religion or none that you married under.

So by that reasoning, they could be married as long as it was part of their belief system correct?

I would regard people as being married if the country they were in legally recognised them as so. So you are married. Two atheists who have a secular wedding are married. A gay couple who have a civil partnership are married.

All should be seen as such and upheld by law.

But a Christian wedding is between a man and a woman and the church should absolutely not be forced or compelled to change their beliefs to cater for those outside of it.

It is as ridiculous to me as Christian members demanding a secular wedding with a blessing from God in it and trying to force secular humanists to offer religious weddings.

So I don't believe gay couples should be allowed to marry in a Christian church and have a Christian marriage as it is clearly invalid and violates the Christian concept of marriage.

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

You have again revealed your judgemental Christian arrogance in warping a debate to present yourself as a victim of atheism. Firstly you assumed that I was talking about the Gay lobby and not only that you decided for me what my position would be in the debate. My exclamation of bollocks was in response to your ludicrous ill informed assertion that prayers at council meetings were voluntary and that the atheist councillor was the one being intolerant.Having recently attended a council meeting as a football supporter trying to ensure our ground was bought back by the council, I was shocked that they started the meeting with a Christian prayer. There is no option to leave the chamber and I am sure it was not only atheists who were embarrassed but also the local Seikh councillor.

You seem to forget that you are the Status Quo, not the oppressed minority. Lecturing me on tolerance is a joke mate. You equated homosexuality, to incest and bestiality. You seem to think that it's OK to quote the Bible in dismissing the sanctioning of Gay marriage in a church, something I totally understand if you believe the Bible is God's word, it's shows consistency. The Bible is pretty unequivocal on the subject. The problem comes when you then dismiss the whole of Jesus's message on being no part of the world, and rendering Ceasar's things to Ceasar, by insisting Christianity should be part of Politics?

You also can not compare a scientific point of view that is accepted by the majority being talked about on TV as a reason to go to court. There are religious programs on television and plenty of channels for evangelical and other forms of Christian, Muslim and other beliefs however far out to be broadcast. You are the one with a warped view on equal rights. The only way to ensure equal respect is shown in the public sector is to keep religion out of politics.

You are extremely opinionated on many subjects of which you seem to have little experience. Perhaps your paranoid view of being a victim of secularisms endeavours to undermine your belief system is fed by your own doubts of your own ridiculous and peculiar version of Christianitys validity.Oh and give the amateur Psychology a rest, it is not very becoming.

Sorry buy I can't be bothered to read this.

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by Master

No big issue let them do what they want to show their commitment, it also helps them when someone dies as there are legal rights within the marriage that couples living together do not have.

"Marriage" is between a man and a woman, they can call it a legal union or whatever, but it's not a marriage.

In a legal sense all a marriage is, is a financial contract. I don't think that churches should be forced to allow gay marriage, but I also don't believe that they should be prevented from doing so either. I really don't see the issue you have with it. Being gay is not a disease or an addiction, some people are born that way. If a church determines that marriage to them is between two consenting adults, then what's the problem?

I'm not trying to debate this, but for the most part the gay lifestyle is a choice, and it's also a psychosomatic form of schizophrenia. The problem I have is they want special rights, and to be seen as "normal", and they're not. Furthermore, if they'd keep that happy horseshit to themselves, there wouldn't be a problem, but no, they've got to stick it in everyone's face.

They are not asking for special rights anymore than what my wife and I have with our marriage which has nothing to do with religion.

Yeah, that's what they want, but the problem is they aren't man and wife, and BTW, my opinion has nothing to do with religion.

Nothing to do with religion? Then what is it ultimately, what are they offending of you?

The whole gay mentality, the fact that they're trying to make their psychotic, self serving, lifestyle mainstream and acceptable. "Marriage" is a union between a man and a woman, which usually produces children, (a family) fags and lesbians can call their "unions" what ever they want, but don't confuse it with a real marriage.

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I don't know what it's like in Canada, the UK/Europe/Australia, and the rest of the World but this has been a really big issue here in the U.S..

Call me homophobic or whatever, but to my way of thinking gays and lesbians are mentally fucked up, disgusting pieces of shit and marriage is between a man and a woman.

I'm not trying to debate this, i'd just like to hear some opinions.

Funny, after reading this I would say the same thing about you...

Moving this to the 100+ board.

Sorry if my opinion offends you Josh. I could care less what people do sexually, but I draw the line when it turns into a "lifestyle". It's not the sexual deviation that bothers me, it's the whole gay mentality thing that goes along with it.

It doesn't offend me in any personal way, it just makes me think of you in the same way I would a racist or a misogynist.

I never had a problem with 2 people of the same sex loving each other and wanting to prove it in a legal/spiritual ceremony.

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I don't know what it's like in Canada, the UK/Europe/Australia, and the rest of the World but this has been a really big issue here in the U.S..

Call me homophobic or whatever, but to my way of thinking gays and lesbians are mentally fucked up, disgusting pieces of shit and marriage is between a man and a woman.

I'm not trying to debate this, i'd just like to hear some opinions.

Funny, after reading this I would say the same thing about you...

Moving this to the 100+ board.

Sorry if my opinion offends you Josh. I could care less what people do sexually, but I draw the line when it turns into a "lifestyle". It's not the sexual deviation that bothers me, it's the whole gay mentality thing that goes along with it.

It doesn't offend me in any personal way, it just makes me think of you in the same way I would a racist or a misogynist.

I understand, and I also understand that anytime you express your opinion in a way that differs with, or isn't politically correct or in-line with the current liberal mindset in North America you'll get pigeonholed as homophobic, a racist, facist, bigot, idiot, et al.

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I don't know what it's like in Canada, the UK/Europe/Australia, and the rest of the World but this has been a really big issue here in the U.S..

Call me homophobic or whatever, but to my way of thinking gays and lesbians are mentally fucked up, disgusting pieces of shit and marriage is between a man and a woman.

I'm not trying to debate this, i'd just like to hear some opinions.

Funny, after reading this I would say the same thing about you...

Moving this to the 100+ board.

Sorry if my opinion offends you Josh. I could care less what people do sexually, but I draw the line when it turns into a "lifestyle". It's not the sexual deviation that bothers me, it's the whole gay mentality thing that goes along with it.

It doesn't offend me in any personal way, it just makes me think of you in the same way I would a racist or a misogynist.

I understand, and I also understand that anytime you express your opinion in a way that differs with, or isn't politically correct or in-line with the current liberal mindset in North America you'll get pigeonholed as homophobic, a racist, facist, bigot, idiot, et al.

When you say things that are hateful, bigoted, and ignorant, you are likely to get labeled as such, yes.

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by Master

No big issue let them do what they want to show their commitment, it also helps them when someone dies as there are legal rights within the marriage that couples living together do not have.

"Marriage" is between a man and a woman, they can call it a legal union or whatever, but it's not a marriage.

In a legal sense all a marriage is, is a financial contract. I don't think that churches should be forced to allow gay marriage, but I also don't believe that they should be prevented from doing so either. I really don't see the issue you have with it. Being gay is not a disease or an addiction, some people are born that way. If a church determines that marriage to them is between two consenting adults, then what's the problem?

I'm not trying to debate this, but for the most part the gay lifestyle is a choice, and it's also a psychosomatic form of schizophrenia. The problem I have is they want special rights, and to be seen as "normal", and they're not. Furthermore, if they'd keep that happy horseshit to themselves, there wouldn't be a problem, but no, they've got to stick it in everyone's face.

They are not asking for special rights anymore than what my wife and I have with our marriage which has nothing to do with religion.

Yeah, that's what they want, but the problem is they aren't man and wife, and BTW, my opinion has nothing to do with religion.

Nothing to do with religion? Then what is it ultimately, what are they offending of you?

The whole gay mentality, the fact that they're trying to make their psychotic, self serving, lifestyle mainstream and acceptable. "Marriage" is a union between a man and a woman, which usually produces children, (a family) fags and lesbians can call their "unions" what ever they want, but don't confuse it with a real marriage.

Same arguments used for the 3/5's law. It is what it is, you weren't looking for a discussion here, just looking to vent. I understand.

As consenting adults, they should be able to live together.... do each other day and night.... hang from the chandeliers.... watch "Brokeback Mountain" with a barrel of popcorn.... whatever.

But why the insistence on getting married?
Just saying....

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

You have again revealed your judgemental Christian arrogance in warping a debate to present yourself as a victim of atheism. Firstly you assumed that I was talking about the Gay lobby and not only that you decided for me what my position would be in the debate. My exclamation of bollocks was in response to your ludicrous ill informed assertion that prayers at council meetings were voluntary and that the atheist councillor was the one being intolerant.Having recently attended a council meeting as a football supporter trying to ensure our ground was bought back by the council, I was shocked that they started the meeting with a Christian prayer. There is no option to leave the chamber and I am sure it was not only atheists who were embarrassed but also the local Seikh councillor.

You seem to forget that you are the Status Quo, not the oppressed minority. Lecturing me on tolerance is a joke mate. You equated homosexuality, to incest and bestiality. You seem to think that it's OK to quote the Bible in dismissing the sanctioning of Gay marriage in a church, something I totally understand if you believe the Bible is God's word, it's shows consistency. The Bible is pretty unequivocal on the subject. The problem comes when you then dismiss the whole of Jesus's message on being no part of the world, and rendering Ceasar's things to Ceasar, by insisting Christianity should be part of Politics?

You also can not compare a scientific point of view that is accepted by the majority being talked about on TV as a reason to go to court. There are religious programs on television and plenty of channels for evangelical and other forms of Christian, Muslim and other beliefs however far out to be broadcast. You are the one with a warped view on equal rights. The only way to ensure equal respect is shown in the public sector is to keep religion out of politics.

You are extremely opinionated on many subjects of which you seem to have little experience. Perhaps your paranoid view of being a victim of secularisms endeavours to undermine your belief system is fed by your own doubts of your own ridiculous and peculiar version of Christianitys validity.Oh and give the amateur Psychology a rest, it is not very becoming.

Sorry buy I can't be bothered to read this.

The thing is Bilbo you rarely read anything, so I am not surprised. You have no common decency, manners, common sense or ability to entertain any new thought that contradicts your small, new earth, mentality. You seem to need the height of a soapbox to lend gravity to your faux Christianity and have not ONCE in all the silly theocratic arguments you have engaged in responded to a criticism or point of argument exposing the flaws in your thinking. You are merely preaching from a very shaky vantage point to the unconverted.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

As consenting adults, they should be able to live together.... do each other day and night.... hang from the chandeliers.... watch "Brokeback Mountain" with a barrel of popcorn.... whatever.

But why the insistence on getting married?
Just saying....

Equality.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

This is such a non-issue to me. Marriage is a religious institute that the government has co-opted. The government needs to get out of the marriage business all together. Leave marriage to the religious institutions. There should be no reason why two consenting adults cannot enter into a contractual public union so the government sees them as a single entity regarding taxes and legal matters.

This is exactly my view. From a legal and right's point of view I am in favour of everybody having the same legal rights.

But 'marriage' is a religious ceremony and it should be entirely up to each religion to conduct ceremonies according to their own beliefs.

I don't see how homosexuals can marry in any Christian sense though, it's clearly forbidden in the Bible and even if the ceremony is carried out it's not valid.

I also don't understand why a man marrying another man is somehow acceptable in the eyes of most whereas a brother marrying his sister, or another brother would not be. The same with a man taking two wives, or even a man marrying a goat.

They are all as weird as each other imo.

What's wrong with goat's, I no they are not as nice as black faced sheep OO Lovely.

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Utter,utter,utter bollocks.

You are simply intolerant of Christianity now you have left it mate. Cognitive dissonance theory in action. That is all.

I am all for gay couples having exactly the same legal status and protections enshrined in law, the same as straight couples. A civil contract? Sure.

A Christian marriage? How can that be enforced, the Bible says it is wrong and unlawful.

The gay lobby is so intolerant. They have all the legal rights they need to live full and accepted lives. But they continue to push further.

In a true and free society everyone has the right to their beliefs. That includes those who don't agree with you.

If somebody wants to believe homosexuality is a sin, then that is their right.

It's actually such a warped view of equal rights that we have. If Christians behaved the same way they would be taking secular organisations to court and winning cases against David Attenborogh for offending them by describing evolution on his tv programs, they would be suing people for claiming God did not exist etc.

People have different opinions. It's part of life.

You have again revealed your judgemental Christian arrogance in warping a debate to present yourself as a victim of atheism. Firstly you assumed that I was talking about the Gay lobby and not only that you decided for me what my position would be in the debate. My exclamation of bollocks was in response to your ludicrous ill informed assertion that prayers at council meetings were voluntary and that the atheist councillor was the one being intolerant.Having recently attended a council meeting as a football supporter trying to ensure our ground was bought back by the council, I was shocked that they started the meeting with a Christian prayer. There is no option to leave the chamber and I am sure it was not only atheists who were embarrassed but also the local Seikh councillor.

You seem to forget that you are the Status Quo, not the oppressed minority. Lecturing me on tolerance is a joke mate. You equated homosexuality, to incest and bestiality. You seem to think that it's OK to quote the Bible in dismissing the sanctioning of Gay marriage in a church, something I totally understand if you believe the Bible is God's word, it's shows consistency. The Bible is pretty unequivocal on the subject. The problem comes when you then dismiss the whole of Jesus's message on being no part of the world, and rendering Ceasar's things to Ceasar, by insisting Christianity should be part of Politics?

You also can not compare a scientific point of view that is accepted by the majority being talked about on TV as a reason to go to court. There are religious programs on television and plenty of channels for evangelical and other forms of Christian, Muslim and other beliefs however far out to be broadcast. You are the one with a warped view on equal rights. The only way to ensure equal respect is shown in the public sector is to keep religion out of politics.

You are extremely opinionated on many subjects of which you seem to have little experience. Perhaps your paranoid view of being a victim of secularisms endeavours to undermine your belief system is fed by your own doubts of your own ridiculous and peculiar version of Christianitys validity.Oh and give the amateur Psychology a rest, it is not very becoming.

Sorry buy I can't be bothered to read this.

The thing is Bilbo you rarely read anything, so I am not surprised. You have no common decency, manners, common sense or ability to entertain any new thought that contradicts your small, new earth, mentality. You seem to need the height of a soapbox to lend gravity to your faux Christianity and have not ONCE in all the silly theocratic arguments you have engaged in responded to a criticism or point of argument exposing the flaws in your thinking. You are merely preaching from a very shaky vantage point to the unconverted.

Sorry but I can't be bothered to read this.

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by TitoFan

As consenting adults, they should be able to live together.... do each other day and night.... hang from the chandeliers.... watch "Brokeback Mountain" with a barrel of popcorn.... whatever.

But why the insistence on getting married?
Just saying....

Equality.

Equality as in....

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by TitoFan

As consenting adults, they should be able to live together.... do each other day and night.... hang from the chandeliers.... watch "Brokeback Mountain" with a barrel of popcorn.... whatever.

But why the insistence on getting married?
Just saying....

Equality.

Equality as in....

Having the same rights and opportunities as everyone else.