Thread: Anyone still think Cloud would beat Dawson or Hopkins?

Cloud would lose a rematch with Campillo, and get schooled by Hopkins and/or Dawson.

Thoughts?

I said before the fight that Dawson and Hopkins would both beat Cloud by wide margins. Definitely sticking by that.

He should give Campillo a rematch, obviously, but he won't. I had thought that Pascal/Cloud would be a competitive fight previously but I'm no longer sure about that. I'd definitely favor Pascal at this point. I'd favor Andre Ward over Cloud by a wide margin if he moved up as well.

Cloud/Froch might be a good fight.

hopkins is old as dirt. He could fall off a cliff overnight.

Dawson should be able to jab, straight left, and then turn Cloud all night. Cloud would have to get to Dawson in the first couple of rounds and hurt Dawson.

Originally Posted by shza

I said before the fight that Dawson and Hopkins would both beat Cloud by wide margins. Definitely sticking by that.

He should give Campillo a rematch, obviously, but he won't. I had thought that Pascal/Cloud would be a competitive fight previously but I'm no longer sure about that. I'd definitely favor Pascal at this point. I'd favor Andre Ward over Cloud by a wide margin if he moved up as well.

Cloud/Froch might be a good fight.

Cloud really underestimated Campillo's ability, and another part of the problem the 5' 10" Cloud was having, was dealing with a bigger man, the 6' 2" Campillio looked huge in there. Cloud would have almost same height disadvantage against Hop or Dawson, plus they're technically much better.

As for Cloud vs. Pascal, they'd be more evenly matched, but at this point i'd favor Pascal.

Originally Posted by captainanddew

Hopkins is old as dirt. He could fall off a cliff overnight.

Dawson should be able to jab, straight left, and then turn Cloud all night. Cloud would have to get to Dawson in the first couple of rounds and hurt Dawson.

Hell you say, Hop is fresh as a daisy.
Seriously, if Hopkins were 60 he'd have enough left in the tank to school a chump like Cloud.

No!

First off, he should give Campillo a rematch. If that doesn't happen, then I wouldn't mind seeing him in with Pascal or Shumenov. Sillakh also..but he's more of a high risk low reward fighter...so I doubt that happens any time soon.

And to answer the thread question - No

People seem to love these one dimensional tough bangers, but again and again quality has proven superior to brute force, and both Hopkins and Dawson are of higher quality.

I've never seen anything special about Cloud whatsoever. Never understood what Lyle saw in him

I don't think he'd beat Jean Pascal.

Perhaps it was just a night off or a matter of style, I'd like to see him again against an interesting prospect before making a final statement on the matter.

To be honest against Hopkins it all depends on Hopkins, he gets inactive enough in some situations he could lose on the cards and cry about being robbed.

As for Dawson, I don't think he has the mental toughness of Campillo and I think he could get shaken and stopped by Cloud, if he gets caught with some of the shots Campillo got caught with in the first round I don't know that he has the mental fortitude to go on offense right away as opposed to moving away.

Yes, I still have faith in Cloud. He got caught looking past the guy, its not like he's ALWAYS looked poor vs boxers.

Dawson seems to me to be soft...but maybe that's just my view of the guy.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Yes, I still have faith in Cloud. He got caught looking past the guy, its not like he's ALWAYS looked poor vs boxers.

Dawson seems to me to be soft...but maybe that's just my view of the guy.

I think Dawson would beat Cloud as easily as he did Diaconu. I've never been impressed watching him. He beat an ageing, past his prime Clinton Woods in a very competitive fight after Woods got dominated by Antonio Tarver. Then he won another close fight against Glen Johnson whose job is to lose against name fighters.

Since then he's fought average opposition and with the exception of Mack who gets knocked out by everybody decent he hasn't looked like stopping anybody, (first round with Campillo aside).

He's a poor man's Jeff Lacy imo.

I'd love to see Cleverly fight him. It would be the fight he needs to launch himself on the world stage and show the world that another great man has emerged from Wales.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Yes, I still have faith in Cloud. He got caught looking past the guy, its not like he's ALWAYS looked poor vs boxers.

Dawson seems to me to be soft...but maybe that's just my view of the guy.

I think Dawson would beat Cloud as easily as he did Diaconu. I've never been impressed watching him. He beat an ageing, past his prime Clinton Woods in a very competitive fight after Woods got dominated by Antonio Tarver. Then he won another close fight against Glen Johnson whose job is to lose against name fighters.

Since then he's fought average opposition and with the exception of Mack who gets knocked out by everybody decent he hasn't looked like stopping anybody, (first round with Campillo aside).

He's a poor man's Jeff Lacy imo.

I'd love to see Cleverly fight him. It would be the fight he needs to launch himself on the world stage and show the world that another great man has emerged from Wales.

Cleverly just needs to be sure that he fights Cloud in a relatively neutral venue, the UK would be nice. (not in Texas)

Originally Posted by Nameless

Perhaps it was just a night off or a matter of style, I'd like to see him again against an interesting prospect before making a final statement on the matter.

This is true, but Cloud lost a lot of credibility in the Campillo fight, he shouldn't still be the Champion. At this point I don't see Cloud defeating any of the top Lt. heavyweights, he's gonna have to prove that he's still a live dog.