Thread: Charley Burley vs ...

I know this is a case of pure speculation but I do wonder how middleweights of today, yesteryear, or yester yester...yesteryear would fare against him.
He was a road warrior, a technical purist, a minimalist and, heck he could bang too if he wanted to. I'd be giddy as a school girl if I could see him against Gene Fullmer or Henry Armstrong, or against Robinson as he was suppose to fight on more than one occasion. I really can't pick out a winner though I think he’d have a far easier time against fighters who tend to lead on the front end.
I'd like your thoughts about this hypothetical bout.

your name is Davila ?

No I just picked it because I like how it sounds.

I have heard a lot about Charley Burley but never seen any actual footage of him.

This video was created a while back by someone on this forum. It's a very nice break down of his skills. As for videos of him fighting sadly there's only just one fight that was taped and it is used in this video.

Are the full fight:

Burley beats Fullmer 9 times outta 10
Armstrong & Robinson are even money fights, imo he tops Armstrong

He did have two hellish duels with the great heavyweight ezzard charles pretty well. And I think he would take Lamotta to town, as for more recent fighters. I think he'll have a far easier time vs 'Tito' than he would against Oscar. I actually favour Oscar over Burley.

As for legit middleweights. I would favour Hopkins over him but not Hagler. That's simply because I think hopkins would give him angles and could fight on his back heel better than Hagler, as well as the fact I think hopkins would be the natrually bigger man.

DeLaHoya is not even remotely in Charley Burley's league. Burley beat Archie Moore; Oscar couldn't beat Shane Mosley. You need to keep in perspective that the moves Hopkins uses are moves perfected by guys like Burley and Charles and Booker and Moore, etc...And they worked them on a much higher quality opponent than Hopkins, DLH have ever faced.

the reason I give the newer fighters a slight edge is simply because of sport science. They are trained and conditioned better. Because of how fit they are the bout will literally turn into a "young fighter in his prime vs an old vet." It is simply based of that fact that I said Oscar might take it. He was a good boxer with a wonderful jab.

Originally Posted by DavilaJones

the reason I give the newer fighters a slight edge is simply because of sport science. They are trained and conditioned better. Because of how fit they are the bout will literally turn into a "young fighter in his prime vs an old vet." It is simply based of that fact that I said Oscar might take it. He was a good boxer with a wonderful jab.

The old timers used to fight all the time, 15 rounders

Burley is right behind Robinson in talent imo

I do agree with you on that burley is perhaps the finest all around puglist to ever lace those gloves. But i just always hate how as boxing fans we always say that all the old timers would always kick the fresh bloods butt to hell and back. that would imply that boxing skill has regressed. if that is true then it really is depressing.

Granted the jab is a dying art, as are body punches but i blame those on the amature scoring system rather than talent and trainers.

Originally Posted by DavilaJones

I do agree with you on that burley is perhaps the finest all around puglist to ever lace those gloves. But i just always hate how as boxing fans we always say that all the old timers would always kick the fresh bloods butt to hell and back. that would imply that boxing skill has regressed. if that is true then it really is depressing.

Granted the jab is a dying art, as are body punches but i blame those on the amature scoring system rather than talent and trainers.

I'm not saying there aren't fighters today that couldn't be competitive with fighters of years past. There are many! DLH would be one, but for me it would be the De La Hoya of around 135-140. Hopkins & Mayweather would also do...

I blame the trainers for not teaching the importance of the jab!

I do too. Too many trainers simply aren't. There's no reason Paul Williams shouldn't be the best man from Walter to middle except for his like training.