1 more than we've had in years mate

@Rantcatrat Floyd hasn't said anything because ironically his uncle Roger said before Petersons misdemeanor was made public, that the reason Khan lost the first fight was because he wasn't using banned substances. He accused Khan of being afraid of being caught and consequently being exposed by Peterson when he didn't have the advantage of using what he called "that shit". I thought maybe Roger was a bit classier than his brother Floyd senior, now I am not so sure

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

@Rantcatrat Floyd hasn't said anything because ironically his uncle Roger said before Petersons misdemeanor was made public, that the reason Khan lost the first fight was because he wasn't using banned substances. He accused Khan of being afraid of being caught and consequently being exposed by Peterson when he didn't have the advantage of using what he called "that shit". I thought maybe Roger was a bit classier than his brother Floyd senior, now I am not so sure

@Greenbeanz - I vaguely remembered someone in Floyd's camp saying something disparaging about Khan implying that he used ped's, which is why it is ironic that it was Peterson that was the one using the banned substance.

Still, I would assume Floyd would use this as an opportunity to make his point about testing boxers. It's odd that he isn't.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by Althugz

I'm not bashing the NSAC - truth is though, that in a sport like boxing, their tests fall pathetically short.

My main gripe is how people used the NSAC to safeguard Pac when the excuses were flying thick and fast about why Floyds demands were ridiculous "rules are rules - Floyd isn't bigger than the sport blah blah".

Just pure redundant arguements proven by this Khan vs Peterson fiasco.

It costs more money for random, comprehensive drug tests but in the long-term every commisions interest should be to safeguard the fighters that bring in such a healthy income to their state, especially Nevada. They'd lose more money long term by NOT safeguarding their fighters if something goes wrong.

Or has he tiptoed around criticizing the Nevada Commission? Do you think Floyd's reaction would have been different if Khan had failed the test?

I doubt it's high on his priority list right now as he prepares to be locked up..and he's just come out of a fairly gruelling fight. I think boxing is the furthest thing from his mind at this point whether it was Khan who failed it or Peterson. Let's just say that I think he'd have more "motivation" to give an opinion if Khan had been caught

I notice that Khan has only said that he's disappointed and was ready to win back his belts etc. Not a word of criticism towards Peterson for using Peds Why wouldn't he at least mention if not condemn Peterson, if he hadn't used them himself? It's not as though he is reserved about anything else, I just find it odd.

Originally Posted by p4pking

I notice that Khan has only said that he's disappointed and was ready to win back his belts etc. Not a word of criticism towards Peterson for using Peds Why wouldn't he at least mention if not condemn Peterson, if he hadn't used them himself? It's not as though he is reserved about anything else, I just find it odd.

You are reading too much into it. He has called Peterson a cheat, that says it all.

Khan has been very vocal in his support for Floyd and his testing.

It would not suprise if when Pac and then probably Freddie retire, Khan at some point in his career ends up under Mayweather promotions.

Originally Posted by p4pking

I notice that Khan has only said that he's disappointed and was ready to win back his belts etc. Not a word of criticism towards Peterson for using Peds Why wouldn't he at least mention if not condemn Peterson, if he hadn't used them himself? It's not as though he is reserved about anything else, I just find it odd.

I've heard him be critical of Peterson. He's been vocal about more stringent testing. He also submitted to the VADA testing without any question. It's the wrong angle, to suspect Khan, when Peterson has been found doing something against the rules. 'Bad for boxing' | Sky Sports | Shows | Ringside

I can never see Khan as a user of any illegal substances, most people just see that he spent so much time with Pac they get trained by the same trainer well floyd thinks pac's a user so khan must be too.
IMO i would say Khan is as clean as they come, he has been through olympic style testing before and has never showed any problems with taking tests and on top of that he's never failed a test evr..

on top of this he is a muslim, he doesnt drink, he starves minself for ramadam once a year and i remember he even admitted he was a virgin a few years back. Do you think he would just decide to Juice up and forget about all his beliefs, i dont

he has his negatives for sure he talks to much crap and thinks he is a better fighter than he is but a drug user never ever IMO

Originally Posted by 0james0

Khan has been very vocal in his support for Floyd and his testing.

It would not suprise if when Pac and then probably Freddie retire, Khan at some point in his career ends up under Mayweather promotions.

He is definitely a Floyd fan at heart

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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On a side note, Peterson actaully passed the Nevada drug test because his testosterone ratio was 3.77-1. He failed the VADA test because it also tests for synthetic testosterone, which is what he

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As an aside I think it's ridiculous that you're not allowed to supplement with synthetic testosterone to even up your natural test levels if you are low. So if Khan was up at 6 and Peterson was at 1..how fair is it that he is not allowed to even that up to within range.

Sorry Alt but I totally disagree with your view that a boxer with a naturally lower level of testosterone should be allowed to supplement it.

That's like saying Malinaggi should be allowed to do PEDS to make him hit as hard as everyone else. If Peterson has a naturally lower level of testosterone than everyone else then tough shit. Khan has a naturally weaker chin than most and that's tough shit too. Peterson knowingly took a BANNED substance and that's pretty clear cut to me, whether he was justified or not...

Originally Posted by Conrad

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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On a side note, Peterson actaully passed the Nevada drug test because his testosterone ratio was 3.77-1. He failed the VADA test because it also tests for synthetic testosterone, which is what he

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As an aside I think it's ridiculous that you're not allowed to supplement with synthetic testosterone to even up your natural test levels if you are low. So if Khan was up at 6 and Peterson was at 1..how fair is it that he is not allowed to even that up to within range.

Sorry Alt but I totally disagree with your view that a boxer with a naturally lower level of testosterone should be allowed to supplement it.

That's like saying Malinaggi should be allowed to do PEDS to make him hit as hard as everyone else. If Peterson has a naturally lower level of testosterone than everyone else then tough shit. Khan has a naturally weaker chin than most and that's tough shit too. Peterson knowingly took a BANNED substance and that's pretty clear cut to me, whether he was justified or not...

I agree with you.

Originally Posted by Conrad

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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On a side note, Peterson actaully passed the Nevada drug test because his testosterone ratio was 3.77-1. He failed the VADA test because it also tests for synthetic testosterone, which is what he

&lt;br /&gt;<br />
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As an aside I think it's ridiculous that you're not allowed to supplement with synthetic testosterone to even up your natural test levels if you are low. So if Khan was up at 6 and Peterson was at 1..how fair is it that he is not allowed to even that up to within range.

Sorry Alt but I totally disagree with your view that a boxer with a naturally lower level of testosterone should be allowed to supplement it.

That's like saying Malinaggi should be allowed to do PEDS to make him hit as hard as everyone else. If Peterson has a naturally lower level of testosterone than everyone else then tough shit. Khan has a naturally weaker chin than most and that's tough shit too. Peterson knowingly took a BANNED substance and that's pretty clear cut to me, whether he was justified or not...

You can have an opinion about it but the FACT is that legally he IS allowed to supplement his lower testosterone levels - The only thing he did wrong was not follow the correct procedure and tell whoever needed to be told that he had to take the stuff to stay within NATURAL range. In this case, sure he should be punished.

P.S. Your analagy of Malignagi being allowed PEDs to hit harder is bullshit we're talking about hormone levels for which there can be a number of reasons they are low. Punch power isn't due to hormones..could be a small factor but also technique, muscle fiber type..

However, if somebody is unnaturally low in testosterone, how fair is it to say "Tough shit dude.." - Not very..and would probably be considered discriminatory if he had a condition that kept his testosterone levels lower than is commonly NATURAL. Hence, why the rules are in place that you can legally supplement as long as you keep levels natural and make the proper people aware. So your opinion is simply that..Opinion. There are already official rules in place that disagree with you.

James Tony is another person with really low testosterone levels. I remember seeing that on discovery channel of all places.

My question to those more knowledgeable than I, if you do have a medical condition that required testosterone shots to keep your hormone level at a normal, would you still be disqualified or a doctors order suffice to clear you to box?

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by Conrad

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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On a side note, Peterson actaully passed the Nevada drug test because his testosterone ratio was 3.77-1. He failed the VADA test because it also tests for synthetic testosterone, which is what he

&lt;br /&gt;<br />
&lt;br /&gt;<br />
As an aside I think it's ridiculous that you're not allowed to supplement with synthetic testosterone to even up your natural test levels if you are low. So if Khan was up at 6 and Peterson was at 1..how fair is it that he is not allowed to even that up to within range.

Sorry Alt but I totally disagree with your view that a boxer with a naturally lower level of testosterone should be allowed to supplement it.

That's like saying Malinaggi should be allowed to do PEDS to make him hit as hard as everyone else. If Peterson has a naturally lower level of testosterone than everyone else then tough shit. Khan has a naturally weaker chin than most and that's tough shit too. Peterson knowingly took a BANNED substance and that's pretty clear cut to me, whether he was justified or not...

You can have an opinion about it but the FACT is that legally he IS allowed to supplement his lower testosterone levels - The only thing he did wrong was not follow the correct procedure and tell whoever needed to be told that he had to take the stuff to stay within NATURAL range. In this case, sure he should be punished.

P.S. Your analagy of Malignagi being allowed PEDs to hit harder is bullshit we're talking about hormone levels for which there can be a number of reasons they are low. Punch power isn't due to hormones..could be a small factor but also technique, muscle fiber type..

However, if somebody is unnaturally low in testosterone, how fair is it to say "Tough shit dude.." - Not very..and would probably be considered discriminatory if he had a condition that kept his testosterone levels lower than is commonly NATURAL. Hence, why the rules are in place that you can legally supplement as long as you keep levels natural and make the proper people aware. So your opinion is simply that..Opinion. There are already official rules in place that disagree with you.

First, Peterson did something wrong here. There's no two ways about it. He took supplements without telling anyone. More than that, he tooks supplements without telling his opponent and competed with his opponent. This is boxing. Anytime you do something like that, your opponent has a right to know, he's putting his life on the line every time he steps in the ring. It's unethical to not be transparent about it. It's also common decency. Moreover, it's against against the rules. Bottom line, regardless of the justification, failing to disclose, should be, and is, punishable. @Althugz , it appears you are attemping to sweep this under the rug.

Second, to your argument with @Conrad , isn't that a slippery slope? Once we allow athletes to supplement their natural levels of testosterone, why shouldn't we allow athletes to augment anything where they have a deficiency? If a person is unnaturally low in fast twitch/slow twitch muscle fibers, and science had a invented a procedure to change muscle fiber content, should a person be permitted to do it and compete with other people? Increase the size of lungs to increase stamina? Furthermore, what does "unnaturally low" mean? To whom? It opens up a whole new ethical discussion. I understand if a disease has left you with a hormonal imbalance etc., and you take supplements to get back to your pre-disease condition. It's different if you are "unnaturally low" because that is what you were born with.