Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Well we differ. I dont do the if A beat B and B beat C then A beats C calculation. Boxing simply does not work that way. Bute was not himself and fought rather stupid and seems to be echoing what I said today in the press. At any rate Froch beating him does not mean Ward or Kessler does. All three fight nothing alike. I wish modern day boxing would turn their collective back on the notion that because someone undefeated has lost they are done. I mean imagine if Benny Leonard quit after he was knocked cold or Arguello getting stopped in about his tenth fight. A loss is not the end of the world as most all time greats will attest to. Sure its tough to take as a fan of his from the moment he started as a pro. To see him lose in that type of fashion but he will be back imo and the better for it.

I agree with your take. Bute seemed lost.

Bute should take on Pascal.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Well we differ. I dont do the if A beat B and B beat C then A beats C calculation. Boxing simply does not work that way. Bute was not himself and fought rather stupid and seems to be echoing what I said today in the press. At any rate Froch beating him does not mean Ward or Kessler does. All three fight nothing alike. I wish modern day boxing would turn their collective back on the notion that because someone undefeated has lost they are done. I mean imagine if Benny Leonard quit after he was knocked cold or Arguello getting stopped in about his tenth fight. A loss is not the end of the world as most all time greats will attest to. Sure its tough to take as a fan of his from the moment he started as a pro. To see him lose in that type of fashion but he will be back imo and the better for it.

I agree with your take. Bute seemed lost.

The point's you have made are correct, Bute having lost in that manner will need to get back on track
Kessler is a very good very hard punching fighter that straight right hand would get to Bute just like Golovkin got him same out come. Ward would bust him up fair or foul.

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Well we differ. I dont do the if A beat B and B beat C then A beats C calculation. Boxing simply does not work that way. Bute was not himself and fought rather stupid and seems to be echoing what I said today in the press. At any rate Froch beating him does not mean Ward or Kessler does. All three fight nothing alike. I wish modern day boxing would turn their collective back on the notion that because someone undefeated has lost they are done. I mean imagine if Benny Leonard quit after he was knocked cold or Arguello getting stopped in about his tenth fight. A loss is not the end of the world as most all time greats will attest to. Sure its tough to take as a fan of his from the moment he started as a pro. To see him lose in that type of fashion but he will be back imo and the better for it.

I agree with your take. Bute seemed lost.

The point's you have made are correct, Bute having lost in that manner will need to get back on track
Kessler is a very good very hard punching fighter that straight right hand would get to Bute just like Golovkin got him same out come. Ward would bust him up fair or foul.

Fair enough but I cant go along with the conclusion. Its in everyone's best interest to throw a straight right against a southpaw but easier said then done and Kessler in his prime could not make that punch count against Calzaghe.

If Bute is now a none factor then Kessler was a none factor after Calzaghe and even more so after the tourney he prematurely exited. Kessler lost his stones long ago. Tell me you do not believe he would ever go to Nottingham. Shit I'd wager he will never leave Denmark.

Ward/Bute is a completely different fight stylistically then what we watched last night. It might even be a snooze fest.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Well we differ. I dont do the if A beat B and B beat C then A beats C calculation. Boxing simply does not work that way. Bute was not himself and fought rather stupid and seems to be echoing what I said today in the press. At any rate Froch beating him does not mean Ward or Kessler does. All three fight nothing alike. I wish modern day boxing would turn their collective back on the notion that because someone undefeated has lost they are done. I mean imagine if Benny Leonard quit after he was knocked cold or Arguello getting stopped in about his tenth fight. A loss is not the end of the world as most all time greats will attest to. Sure its tough to take as a fan of his from the moment he started as a pro. To see him lose in that type of fashion but he will be back imo and the better for it.

I agree with your take. Bute seemed lost.

The point's you have made are correct, Bute having lost in that manner will need to get back on track
Kessler is a very good very hard punching fighter that straight right hand would get to Bute just like Golovkin got him same out come. Ward would bust him up fair or foul.

Fair enough but I cant go along with the conclusion. Its in everyone's best interest to throw a straight right against a southpaw but easier said then done and Kessler in his prime could not make that punch count against Calzaghe.

If Bute is now a none factor then Kessler was a none factor after Calzaghe and even more so after the tourney he prematurely exited. Kessler lost his stones long ago. Tell me you do not believe he would ever go to Nottingham. Shit I'd wager he will never leave Denmark.

Ward/Bute is a completely different fight stylistically then what we watched last night. It might even be a snooze fest.

Are you serious about Kessler? The guy has left his backyard before to fight Ward and Calzaghe. Maybe you mean he "lost his stones" as in he won't be up for that now..but he doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.

Also the guys who are saying Bute's chin let him down are off...The pressure is what Bute showed he couldn't handle. He took 3 rounds worth of hellacious shots from Froch but didn't know what to do. It was exactly as the British commentator said "You would never see the elite such as Mayweather fold under this kind of pressure" and that is what Bute lacks. He can't keep composed while being attacked. He showed that against Andrade and now it's been confirmed by Carl.

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IhIamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Well we differ. I dont do the if A beat B and B beat C then A beats C calculation. Boxing simply does not work that way. Bute was not himself and fought rather stupid and seems to be echoing what I said today in the press. At any rate Froch beating him does not mean Ward or Kessler does. All three fight nothing alike. I wish modern day boxing would turn their collective back on the notion that because someone undefeated has lost they are done. I mean imagine if Benny Leonard quit after he was knocked cold or Arguello getting stopped in about his tenth fight. A loss is not the end of the world as most all time greats will attest to. Sure its tough to take as a fan of his from the moment he started as a pro. To see him lose in that type of fashion but he will be back imo and the better for it.

I agree with your take. Bute seemed lost.

The point's you have made are correct, Bute having lost in that manner will need to get back on track
Kessler is a very good very hard punching fighter that straight right hand would get to Bute just like Golovkin got him same out come. Ward would bust him up fair or foul.

Fair enough but I cant go along with the conclusion. Its in everyone's best interest to throw a straight right against a southpaw but easier said then done and Kessler in his prime could not make that punch count against Calzaghe.

If Bute is now a none factor then Kessler was a none factor after Calzaghe and even more so after the tourney he prematurely exited. Kessler lost his stones long ago. Tell me you do not believe he would ever go to Nottingham. Shit I'd wager he will never leave Denmark.

Ward/Bute is a completely different fight stylistically then what we watched last night. It might even be a snooze fest.

Are you serious about Kessler? The guy has left his backyard before to fight Ward and Calzaghe. Maybe you mean he "lost his stones" as in he won't be up for that now..but he doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.

Also the guys who are saying Bute's chin let him down are off...The pressure is what Bute showed he couldn't handle. He took 3 rounds worth of hellacious shots from Froch but didn't know what to do. It was exactly as the British commentator said "You would never see the elite such as Mayweather fold under this kind of pressure" and that is what Bute lacks. He can't keep composed while being attacked. He showed that against Andrade and now it's been confirmed by Carl.

Nothin but respect to froch, but kess was leavin denmark to fight dudes in their backyard before anyone but one dude on this forum were even payin attention to froch, and hell do it again if the offer is right.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Well we differ. I dont do the if A beat B and B beat C then A beats C calculation. Boxing simply does not work that way. Bute was not himself and fought rather stupid and seems to be echoing what I said today in the press. At any rate Froch beating him does not mean Ward or Kessler does. All three fight nothing alike. I wish modern day boxing would turn their collective back on the notion that because someone undefeated has lost they are done. I mean imagine if Benny Leonard quit after he was knocked cold or Arguello getting stopped in about his tenth fight. A loss is not the end of the world as most all time greats will attest to. Sure its tough to take as a fan of his from the moment he started as a pro. To see him lose in that type of fashion but he will be back imo and the better for it.

I agree with your take. Bute seemed lost.

The thing is that Froch is the best opposition that Bute has faced. Bute has not exactly had great opponents over his 30 fights and maybe hes a case of another protected fighter that is really not as good as everyone thinks. I could be wrong but Froch has come off a terrible loss to Ward where he was very outclassed, then he fights Bute in his next fight and hardly loses a round before destroying him in the fifth.
It was all to easy a victory for Froch and he made Bute look like a journeyman.
I have to admit I thought Froch was going to lose on points after all the Hype I heard about Bute but it goes to show. Watch the other guys fights and judge for yourself.

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Well we differ. I dont do the if A beat B and B beat C then A beats C calculation. Boxing simply does not work that way. Bute was not himself and fought rather stupid and seems to be echoing what I said today in the press. At any rate Froch beating him does not mean Ward or Kessler does. All three fight nothing alike. I wish modern day boxing would turn their collective back on the notion that because someone undefeated has lost they are done. I mean imagine if Benny Leonard quit after he was knocked cold or Arguello getting stopped in about his tenth fight. A loss is not the end of the world as most all time greats will attest to. Sure its tough to take as a fan of his from the moment he started as a pro. To see him lose in that type of fashion but he will be back imo and the better for it.

I agree with your take. Bute seemed lost.

The point's you have made are correct, Bute having lost in that manner will need to get back on track
Kessler is a very good very hard punching fighter that straight right hand would get to Bute just like Golovkin got him same out come. Ward would bust him up fair or foul.

Fair enough but I cant go along with the conclusion. Its in everyone's best interest to throw a straight right against a southpaw but easier said then done and Kessler in his prime could not make that punch count against Calzaghe.

If Bute is now a none factor then Kessler was a none factor after Calzaghe and even more so after the tourney he prematurely exited. Kessler lost his stones long ago. Tell me you do not believe he would ever go to Nottingham. Shit I'd wager he will never leave Denmark.

Ward/Bute is a completely different fight stylistically then what we watched last night. It might even be a snooze fest.

Are you serious about Kessler? The guy has left his backyard before to fight Ward and Calzaghe. Maybe you mean he "lost his stones" as in he won't be up for that now..but he doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.

Also the guys who are saying Bute's chin let him down are off...The pressure is what Bute showed he couldn't handle. He took 3 rounds worth of hellacious shots from Froch but didn't know what to do. It was exactly as the British commentator said "You would never see the elite such as Mayweather fold under this kind of pressure" and that is what Bute lacks. He can't keep composed while being attacked. He showed that against Andrade and now it's been confirmed by Carl.

I'm talking a post tourney Kessler. He had a chance to fight Bute and accused him of low balling him. And then who did he fight? He was forced to travel because of the tourney so please? Once in the Uk prior to that for Cal.

Bute met Froch at the entryway and refused to budge. Like I said, a deer in the headlights. I agree on this notion of bad chin. Same people would say Tito and Hearns had a bad chin.

They had no game plan and believed in the odds and hype by fans like me. I picked Bute by wide ud or late stoppage. We just need to show up attitude and beat this guy starched from a tourney and ready to call it quits. No wonder lots of fighters do not watch tape. A different fighter shows up.

Originally Posted by armin

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IhIamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Well we differ. I dont do the if A beat B and B beat C then A beats C calculation. Boxing simply does not work that way. Bute was not himself and fought rather stupid and seems to be echoing what I said today in the press. At any rate Froch beating him does not mean Ward or Kessler does. All three fight nothing alike. I wish modern day boxing would turn their collective back on the notion that because someone undefeated has lost they are done. I mean imagine if Benny Leonard quit after he was knocked cold or Arguello getting stopped in about his tenth fight. A loss is not the end of the world as most all time greats will attest to. Sure its tough to take as a fan of his from the moment he started as a pro. To see him lose in that type of fashion but he will be back imo and the better for it.

I agree with your take. Bute seemed lost.

The point's you have made are correct, Bute having lost in that manner will need to get back on track
Kessler is a very good very hard punching fighter that straight right hand would get to Bute just like Golovkin got him same out come. Ward would bust him up fair or foul.

Fair enough but I cant go along with the conclusion. Its in everyone's best interest to throw a straight right against a southpaw but easier said then done and Kessler in his prime could not make that punch count against Calzaghe.

If Bute is now a none factor then Kessler was a none factor after Calzaghe and even more so after the tourney he prematurely exited. Kessler lost his stones long ago. Tell me you do not believe he would ever go to Nottingham. Shit I'd wager he will never leave Denmark.

Ward/Bute is a completely different fight stylistically then what we watched last night. It might even be a snooze fest.

Are you serious about Kessler? The guy has left his backyard before to fight Ward and Calzaghe. Maybe you mean he "lost his stones" as in he won't be up for that now..but he doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.

Also the guys who are saying Bute's chin let him down are off...The pressure is what Bute showed he couldn't handle. He took 3 rounds worth of hellacious shots from Froch but didn't know what to do. It was exactly as the British commentator said "You would never see the elite such as Mayweather fold under this kind of pressure" and that is what Bute lacks. He can't keep composed while being attacked. He showed that against Andrade and now it's been confirmed by Carl.

Nothin but respect to froch, but kess was leavin denmark to fight dudes in their backyard before anyone but one dude on this forum were even payin attention to froch, and hell do it again if the offer is right.

Whose this dude and tell me about all these backyard visits? 2 in a tourney and??

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by armin

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Dia bando

Originally Posted by IhIamInuit

Originally Posted by Gandalf

He beat decent opposition, but past it opposition and avoided the Super 6. Froch showed that Bute cannot take a shot and that should stay home and fight the likes of Allan Green. I don't think Bute has what it takes and this fight will have destroyed his confidence.

He's nuts if he chooses to waste all our time with a Froch rematch.

He never avoided the S6 and I wish people would quit saying he did. He was not even asked and was in effect froze out. Instead the powers at be invited Taylor and Abraham who had no business being there.

The speed in which people are written off today is hilarious. Of course he is still a top 168 pounder. He simply got beat. And rest assured he will demand a rematch. Froch looked great last night and executed his game plan perfectly with a willing opponent allowing him to do so.Bute right off the get go decided to try to out slug the slugger. He was so worried about his feet that he ended up punching off the front of them. Bute will regroup just as any elite after a loss.

I no he is one of your own,Bute is not finished but it was a very damaging defeat if you are honest
Kessler and Ward would both beat him. As for the rematch forget about it he will just get Ko again
Froch has his number Bute can not handle pressure if you let him get into a rhythm he's hard to beat
but Froch is to much for him the fight was a bit like the old rabbit in the headlights for Bute he froze.

Well we differ. I dont do the if A beat B and B beat C then A beats C calculation. Boxing simply does not work that way. Bute was not himself and fought rather stupid and seems to be echoing what I said today in the press. At any rate Froch beating him does not mean Ward or Kessler does. All three fight nothing alike. I wish modern day boxing would turn their collective back on the notion that because someone undefeated has lost they are done. I mean imagine if Benny Leonard quit after he was knocked cold or Arguello getting stopped in about his tenth fight. A loss is not the end of the world as most all time greats will attest to. Sure its tough to take as a fan of his from the moment he started as a pro. To see him lose in that type of fashion but he will be back imo and the better for it.

I agree with your take. Bute seemed lost.

The point's you have made are correct, Bute having lost in that manner will need to get back on track
Kessler is a very good very hard punching fighter that straight right hand would get to Bute just like Golovkin got him same out come. Ward would bust him up fair or foul.

Fair enough but I cant go along with the conclusion. Its in everyone's best interest to throw a straight right against a southpaw but easier said then done and Kessler in his prime could not make that punch count against Calzaghe.

If Bute is now a none factor then Kessler was a none factor after Calzaghe and even more so after the tourney he prematurely exited. Kessler lost his stones long ago. Tell me you do not believe he would ever go to Nottingham. Shit I'd wager he will never leave Denmark.

Ward/Bute is a completely different fight stylistically then what we watched last night. It might even be a snooze fest.

Are you serious about Kessler? The guy has left his backyard before to fight Ward and Calzaghe. Maybe you mean he "lost his stones" as in he won't be up for that now..but he doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.

Also the guys who are saying Bute's chin let him down are off...The pressure is what Bute showed he couldn't handle. He took 3 rounds worth of hellacious shots from Froch but didn't know what to do. It was exactly as the British commentator said "You would never see the elite such as Mayweather fold under this kind of pressure" and that is what Bute lacks. He can't keep composed while being attacked. He showed that against Andrade and now it's been confirmed by Carl.

Nothin but respect to froch, but kess was leavin denmark to fight dudes in their backyard before anyone but one dude on this forum were even payin attention to froch, and hell do it again if the offer is right.

Whose this dude and tell me about all these backyard visits? 2 in a tourney and??

He fought in wales, australia, germany, the us....4 more trips than most champs out there, let's not pretend he's scarred to travel when he's clearly not.

rematch in montreal.

Bute should take on Kessler 1st before a rematch with Froch.

If Kessler kayoes him then take Allan Green to rebuild and try on Abraham.

Originally Posted by Althugz

Are you serious about Kessler? The guy has left his backyard before to fight Ward and Calzaghe. Maybe you mean he "lost his stones" as in he won't be up for that now..but he doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.

Also the guys who are saying Bute's chin let him down are off...The pressure is what Bute showed he couldn't handle. He took 3 rounds worth of hellacious shots from Froch but didn't know what to do. It was exactly as the British commentator said "You would never see the elite such as Mayweather fold under this kind of pressure" and that is what Bute lacks. He can't keep composed while being attacked. He showed that against Andrade and now it's been confirmed by Carl.

I think you're bang on with the last bit, and it won't bode well for Bute in the future. People were billing him as a "slick boxer" in the build up to this fight, which isn't close to the case really. Bute is slick in a large sense, he is very athletic and offensively does great things. His problem is he doesn't really do anything well off the backfoot, only jabs to set up power shots rather than control distance etc. He has quick feet but doesn't move as a pure boxer ever would, everything he does well is from a distance while still coming forward. Froch had no trouble selling out to get inside, where Bute can't really do anything. He basically needs an opponent who will respect his power and let him keep them on a leash so to speak.

no. i disagree completely. when you get knocked down, you get back you and try again.
bute will learn from this and adjust his plan.

that's what champions do. none of this rebuilding with crap fighters.

that's a big part of what's wrong with boxing right now. protecting the fighters, trying to shield them from losses. a loss isn't the end of the world. its something to learn from.