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    fightnews reports that he's still ibf champ after investigation.

    IBF: Peterson is still champion; must face Judah

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    Good to see the IBF are taking drug testing and its results seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superheavyrhun View Post
    Good to see the IBF are taking drug testing and its results seriously.
    The appointed doctors concluded that his T-levels were not abnormally high and thus did not give him an unfair advantage. That was what he said all along -- that he had abnormally low levels and had the procedure just to bring him up to normal. I don't see how how that means the IBF isn't taking drug testing seriously. (They would have been justified in smacking him a little for simply failing to disclose, however, despite the fact that in the end really the only resulting harm was the rematch getting scrapped -- but that's a different issue.)

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    What a load of tosh. If you had to prove that every athlete had gained an unfair advantage from taking a banned substance, rather than just establish the substance had been used, most cheats would get off Scot free. What kind of pseudo scientific method makes rules about disclosure and using banned items simply disappear because they didn't work, or excuse the user, despite needing it for medical reasons, needing to inform anyone about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
    What a load of tosh. If you had to prove that every athlete had gained an unfair advantage from taking a banned substance, rather than just establish the substance had been used, most cheats would get off Scot free. What kind of pseudo scientific method makes rules about disclosure and using banned items simply disappear because they didn't work, or excuse the user, despite needing it for medical reasons, needing to inform anyone about it?
    There are normal ranges of testosterone in human males. They can take a blood test to determine whether he was within those levels. They determined he was. Hardly seems complicated or "pseudo science." As I mentioned, I do agree that they could have smacked him on the non-disclosure point (which is conceptually separate).

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    Time for a reality check. Steroids of a plethora of colours have been a part of the sports medicine world in regards to fast healing for decades. In this Ped paranoid world, it just so happens that this claim by the Peterson camp is probably legit. Problem is in this wired world a positive test means guilt. Who cares what the explanation is. Lets not forget where this kid and his brother came from.

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    Maybe I'm going way too Simple Simon but, it is a banned substance? And he did take it? Is there an asterisk allowed because a guys testosterone level is naturally lower and that allows a pass on a banned substance? Who takes these blood tests and which are allowed and which are not. Hopefully its not the same commissions, appointed Dr. etc that "forget" to conduct routine post fight tests

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    would not give an advantage?"? I will take the word of Victor Conte. He knows about drug cheating.

    A normal level is 1:1.

    Peterson's was 3.77 to 1. Per Conte that is definitely a performance enhancing level.



    If his testosterone was abnormally low he was supposed to let the commission know he was doing thisr Do you know why he didn't do so? He was cheating.

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    could be worse. WBO once elevated a dead man in the rankings!!!

    Time to stop giving creedence to the belts. They mean nothing.

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    So being on peds is not an offense anymore? Cool. Way to go out the drain, boxing reputation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Maybe I'm going way too Simple Simon but, it is a banned substance? And he did take it? Is there an asterisk allowed because a guys testosterone level is naturally lower and that allows a pass on a banned substance? Who takes these blood tests and which are allowed and which are not. Hopefully its not the same commissions, appointed Dr. etc that "forget" to conduct routine post fight tests
    I'm pretty sure the upfront rule actually is more nuanced than "you can't take the following substances under any circumstances," and actually does give a pass under circumstances like these (although, again, he was supposed to inform them of the fact he was getting this treatment before it happened to get picked up on a test).

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainanddew View Post
    would not give an advantage?"? I will take the word of Victor Conte. He knows about drug cheating.

    A normal level is 1:1.

    Peterson's was 3.77 to 1. Per Conte that is definitely a performance enhancing level.



    If his testosterone was abnormally low he was supposed to let the commission know he was doing thisr Do you know why he didn't do so? He was cheating.
    Where are you getting those numbers from and what do the ratios refer to? They're clearly not total T to free T ratios so I'm not sure what you could possibly be talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless View Post
    So being on peds is not an offense anymore? Cool. Way to go out the drain, boxing reputation
    The whole point is that they were not performance "enhancing," they were performance "normalizing."

    Say a fighter breaks his hand. Is it unfair "performance enhancing" for him to have a doctor reset the bones before putting a cast on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shza View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless View Post
    So being on peds is not an offense anymore? Cool. Way to go out the drain, boxing reputation
    The whole point is that they were not performance "enhancing," they were performance "normalizing."

    Say a fighter breaks his hand. Is it unfair "performance enhancing" for him to have a doctor reset the bones before putting a cast on it?
    That is a dumb analogy. Everyone has their bones reset after a break, but if a boxer lacked the natural ability to heal a fracture and had to used a banned substance to trigger that healing he would still be cheating. If he did this for two fights and was then caught, rather than seeking special dispensation he should be seen as cheating. If there are clear rules and you not only ignore them but do so repeatedly and then only come clean after being caught, then motive or mitigating health conditions do not come into it. It seems that his backstory coupled with a misguided sympathy for a condition that strikes at what people perceive as defining manhood, has clouded peoples judgment. Sure one can empathise with his situation but that does not mean you have to condone his solution, actions or attitude.

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    My physical abilities are below average so cheating to improve them is fair? What?!?!

    Next it will be ok to take the answers in to an exam because you're not as smart as everybody else?

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