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    Default Does Chavez Jr. really deserve a rematch?

    Martinez kicks Junior's ass for 11 1/2 rounds, but gets knocked down and badly hurt in the final minute of the fight. I believe Junior is getting way to much credit for the 12th round KD in some of the media reports. I read in one article that: "Martinez wins the fight but Chavez Jr. wins the night", WTF is that supposed to mean?

    If this was anybody but Baby Chavez would anyone be thinking that the KD was something other then a fluke? Junior finally steps up in class and faces a real/volatile opponent in Martinez for the first time, with a huge size and weight advantage, but gets schooled and badly beaten, fuck the KD and lets keep things in perspective.

    Let Junior work his way back in contention and show that he's not an overrated/overhyped. talentless, clown still living off of his daddy's name. If I were Sergio, i'd take my sweet time giving Junior a rematch, (if ever) and perhaps unify the middleweight titles, what's that Australian chap's name who just defeated Sturm? Sounds like a good fight to me.
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    Default Re: Does Chavez Jr. really deserve a rematch?

    I was reading about how Martinez has a broken left hand and needs surgery on his right knee. I'm not sure if Martinez can box anymore. He IS 37 years old and what most people tend to forget these days, due to the fact that a few champs are pushing 35+, is that if you're over 33-34 you really are considered over the hill and in this sport where you need every little advantage to win, being over the hill is just damn right deadly to your health.

    Also I don't think Chavez is even worth Martinez's contempt. He is nothing like his father, at least that man had a decent defense and threw a good right hand.

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    Default Re: Does Chavez Jr. really deserve a rematch?

    On what basis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
    Martinez kicks Junior's ass for 11 1/2 rounds, but gets knocked down and badly hurt in the final minute of the fight. I believe Junior is getting way to much credit for the 12th round KD in some of the media reports. I read in one article that: "Martinez wins the fight but Chavez Jr. wins the night", WTF is that supposed to mean?
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    If this was anybody but Baby Chavez would anyone be thinking that the KD was something other then a fluke? Junior finally steps up in class and faces a real/volatile opponent in Martinez for the first time, with a huge size and weight advantage, but gets schooled and badly beaten, fuck the KD and lets keep things in perspective.

    Let Junior work his way back in contention and show that he's not an overrated/overhyped. talentless, clown still living off of his daddy's name. If I were Sergio, i'd take my sweet time giving Junior a rematch, (if ever) and perhaps unify the middleweight titles, what's that Australian chap's name who just defeated Sturm? Sounds like a good fight to me.
    Martinez has some injuries to to deal with first. It's not about if Chavez deserves a rematch, it's about where the biggest payday is. No one can say what Martinez will do, but boxing is about the money, especially at this level. If Martinez isn't looking at a rematch with Chavez, I'd be real surprised. His injuries might force him to take on another opponent before Chavez, but you can be sure he'll be thinking about Chavez.

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    Default Re: Does Chavez Jr. really deserve a rematch?

    Chavez doesn't deserve shit, Martinez was a bit winded by the 12th got dropped after a solid shot and then stood up, clinched, recovered and traded with Jr till the final bell, Chavez won the round but Martinez put the staple that he was the better fighter even after the KD, if the rematch would happen I would only be ok with it because it would another big payday for Sergio, and well if anyone truly deserves the big fights and recognition it's him, fuck Floyd and Manny, Martinez is the epitome of a true champion, my #1 and #2 are Ward and Martinez

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    Hell no he don't deswerve a rematch, one sided beating for eleven rounds and then happens to kd the guy cause martinez decided to not just completely run in the final round. Not intrested in a rematch at all...altho not sure who else could make martinez that kinda money, and well not sure chavez will be makin 160 much longer anyways

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    Default Re: Does Chavez Jr. really deserve a rematch?

    Quote Originally Posted by beenKOed View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
    Martinez kicks Junior's ass for 11 1/2 rounds, but gets knocked down and badly hurt in the final minute of the fight. I believe Junior is getting way to much credit for the 12th round KD in some of the media reports. I read in one article that: "Martinez wins the fight but Chavez Jr. wins the night", WTF is that supposed to mean?
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    If this was anybody but Baby Chavez would anyone be thinking that the KD was something other then a fluke? Junior finally steps up in class and faces a real/volatile opponent in Martinez for the first time, with a huge size and weight advantage, but gets schooled and badly beaten, fuck the KD and lets keep things in perspective.

    Let Junior work his way back in contention and show that he's not an overrated/overhyped. talentless, clown still living off of his daddy's name. If I were Sergio, i'd take my sweet time giving Junior a rematch, (if ever) and perhaps unify the middleweight titles, what's that Australian chap's name who just defeated Sturm? Sounds like a good fight to me.
    Martinez has some injuries to to deal with first. It's not about if Chavez deserves a rematch, it's about where the biggest payday is. No one can say what Martinez will do, but boxing is about the money, especially at this level. If Martinez isn't looking at a rematch with Chavez, I'd be real surprised. His injuries might force him to take on another opponent before Chavez, but you can be sure he'll be thinking about Chavez.
    You mean thinking about the 'money' he could make in a rematch. Because Sergio has already had his moment of vengeance and/or showed who the better fighter was. I think it would be a good idea for both pugs to take another opponent first. I'd love to see Junior fight Kelly Pavlik.

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    Default Re: Does Chavez Jr. really deserve a rematch?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    On what basis?
    lol, i'm asking you, you fukin' Eskimo. j/k

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    No of course not. Yeh yeh I understand money talks but frankly I think thats selling Martinez short. He did his bid with Chavez and basically had his way throughout, even with the knockdown where he stood ground and gave Chavez chances to explode on him. If I was Martinez I'd say "you know what kid...earn your way back, you have the hype, youth, the name, the backing and the damn network fan hood who just watched me turn you over my knee and spank your ass...with respect I'm going out to demand better". Martinez doesn't have long left in the game I'd imagine and he sure as hell doesn't 'need' a legacy or sequel with Chavez who obviously was coddled to get where he was. Chavez needs to take from this, shit, learn yourself after you've been stripped to the frame in public and LISTEN to advisor's, trainers and even pops who have all been there and done that. I think the last thing HE needs is to get back in with a superior guy with that level of aloofness he obviously had leading up. Chavez has tools but he needs to go back a few notches and grow up if he even hopes to come close to lasting to 37 yrs old at the top of his game.

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    I'd like to believe that after his performance against Junior, Sergio's market value will skyrocket, if not something is seriously wrong with boxing promotions, fer christ sakes, Martinez is probably the most colorful, entertaining Pug in boxing right now.

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    Default Re: Does Chavez Jr. really deserve a rematch?

    Does he deserve ? No.

    Will most people only remember the last round and believe that Chavez was in or could have obtained the victory? Yes.



    Is that good for both fighter moneywise? Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Chavez doesn't deserve shit, Martinez was a bit winded by the 12th got dropped after a solid shot and then stood up, clinched, recovered and traded with Jr till the final bell, Chavez won the round but Martinez put the staple that he was the better fighter even after the KD, if the rematch would happen I would only be ok with it because it would another big payday for Sergio, and well if anyone truly deserves the big fights and recognition it's him, fuck Floyd and Manny, Martinez is the epitome of a true champion, my #1 and #2 are Ward and Martinez
    Yup, and Sergio does most of it without a huge team, entourage or support system, which is another thing I respect about him, he's his own man. He came to a foreign land, paid his dues, took names and kicked asses, there not much to dislike about the hombre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Chavez doesn't deserve shit, Martinez was a bit winded by the 12th got dropped after a solid shot and then stood up, clinched, recovered and traded with Jr till the final bell, Chavez won the round but Martinez put the staple that he was the better fighter even after the KD, if the rematch would happen I would only be ok with it because it would another big payday for Sergio, and well if anyone truly deserves the big fights and recognition it's him, fuck Floyd and Manny, Martinez is the epitome of a true champion, my #1 and #2 are Ward and Martinez
    Yup, and Sergio does most of it without a huge team, entourage or support system, which is another thing I respect about him, he's his own man. He came to a foreign land, paid his dues, took names and kicked asses, there not much to dislike about the hombre.
    From everything I know sergio does everything right and has done everything right and if the world was just n fair he'd be a huge star but alas that's not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless View Post
    Does he deserve ? No.

    Will most people only remember the last round and believe that Chavez was in or could have obtained the victory? Yes.



    Is that good for both fighter moneywise? Yes.
    About the only good thing that could come out of a rematch would be Sergio making a big payday. Junior didn't lose 11 rounds by accident, he got schooled, I see no reason to believe Part II would be much different, minus the 12th round KD. But yeah, money controls boxing, (prize fighting) so barring something unforeseen, there will be a rematch at some point.

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    Default Re: Does Chavez Jr. really deserve a rematch?

    Unless Martinez is lined up to fight Mayweather, then it doesn't matter what anyone thinks or if Chavez deserves a rematch. Martinez is going to make whatever fight will make him the most money. Unless someone can produce some other match-up for Martinez that will yield him the kind of money a rematch with Chavez will make, that is exactly what will happen. All this talk about Martinez nursing will only help him focus his attention on retirement money.

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