Thread: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

Originally Posted by jbp23

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

JMM has not hidden who has been working with, changing his routine, looking to improve strength/power, commentators thought his size would work against him as he looked tighter and that Pac looked trimmer, looser and faster.

You know Hernadez personally to be able to comment on his character?
You're accusing Marquez of cheating?
Marquez said prior to the fight he'll take whatever test Roach/they want - Something Manny has refused to do and ruined the chance of fighting Mayweather. Ever since Mayweather accused Pac of cheating and the spotlight has been put on him Pac's performance has been getting worse...could be age/training or by your logic proof that he was cheating before.

You've only just registered and post this. Bitter Pac fan?

Originally Posted by jbp23

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

I stopped reading after your first line. Because.... "actually in my line of work one only uses facts."

Ok then, if that is the case why the hugely speculatory (and massively unnecessary) post?

Marquez hasn't finish taking his post fight shower and he's accused of using PED's?

You sir, are an idiot.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

Originally Posted by jbp23

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

I stopped reading after your first line. Because.... "actually in my line of work one only uses facts."

Ok then, if that is the case why the hugely speculatory (and massively unnecessary) post?

Marquez hasn't finish taking his post fight shower and he's accused of using PED's?

You sir, are an idiot.

Its speculative that Marquez trainer was involved in PEDS? That's a fact
Its speculative that his trainer uses alias's? That's a fact, and his excuse is rather odd to why he does.
I think you need to look up the definition of a fact. So your the idiot when things I brought up are easily researched.

Originally Posted by jbp23

in my line of work one only uses facts.

Gimme a big mac, large fries, and a black coffee please.

Marquez is bigger because he's taking PED's? Not a fact.
He squats more because he's on PED's? Not a fact.
He used PED's to beat Pacquiao because he'd "do just about anything to beat Pacquiao"? Not a fact.

You need to look up the definition if conspiracy theorist because if you don't believe you are one, you're massively mistaken.

And to reiterate, your sir, are an idiot.

Originally Posted by jbp23

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

Well you got a set Ill give you that.
Even if they did get crushed while holding onto Mannys

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by jbp23

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

JMM has not hidden who has been working with, changing his routine, looking to improve strength/power, commentators thought his size would work against him as he looked tighter and that Pac looked trimmer, looser and faster.

You know Hernadez personally to be able to comment on his character?
You're accusing Marquez of cheating?
Marquez said prior to the fight he'll take whatever test Roach/they want - Something Manny has refused to do and ruined the chance of fighting Mayweather. Ever since Mayweather accused Pac of cheating and the spotlight has been put on him Pac's performance has been getting worse...could be age/training or by your logic proof that he was cheating before.

You've only just registered and post this. Bitter Pac fan?

Do I know Hernandez no but his character or lack of is easily researched. He is an admitted PED peddler, he tried to hide who he is by using alias's but the press found out, he makes up stories about working with the USADA, he ratted out the athletes he was doping up to save his own ass and anyone anywhere knows nothing is worse than a snitch so I believe these easily researched facts show his character or lack of so I do not need to know him personally since there is a lot out there on him that shows the type of man he is.
Am I accusing Marquez of cheating? It's reasonable to believe he may have cheated based on the above noted facts and hiring a steroid peddler is the most damning fact of all. There is no logical reason to hire someone with this type of reputation as it will only invite suspicion and rightly so.
In an interview MArquez said he does not know how these questions came up, well its ebcause you hired known steroid peddler.
Are you saying having a steroid peddler/dealer is no reason to be suspicious? If you are saying so then you are naive.

Its funny how no one address the issues I brought up, they ignore them such as yourself. Why do you ignore them? Because its hard to counter them because they are all true.

So tell me his story about working with the USDA that turned out to be false, what does that tell you about him? Using an alias, what does that say about him? Being a PED peddler what does that tell you? None of that brings any suspicion? Man, all these problems do not raise any suspicion on your part then you are probably the easiest person in the world to scam, I bet telemarketers love you and you probably are broke because you sent all your money to some prince in Africa because you got an email from one stating he would make you rich. By the way just because I am new to this site does not mean I am new to boxing. I have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know. By the way its possible he did try to hide he was working with if you recall, in the last fight Hernandez was using an alias and he was introduced with his alias. So that to me looks like he was trying to hide who this guy was, but he was recognized and the jigg was up. So you are wrong on that count.

After losing two and drawing one in three fights he had a right to believe he won, the bigger and stronger version of Marquez left no doubt this time around.

He concluded one of the year's best fights in stunningly brutal fashion, catching Pacquiao on the chin with a perfectly placed counter right hand, knocking the Filipino superstar out cold at 2:59 of the sixth round before an arena packed with his delirious fans.

It was the same right hand that Marquez landed repeatedly in their first three fights, shots that did little damage to Pacquiao. But after a year of building his body with conditioning coach Angel Guillermo "Memo" Heredia, Marquez had the zip he needed on his fastball to get the job done.

Source http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing-...085101776.html


Now shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

Marquez is bigger because he's taking PED's? Not a fact.
He squats more because he's on PED's? Not a fact.
He used PED's to beat Pacquiao because he'd "do just about anything to beat Pacquiao"? Not a fact.

You need to look up the definition if conspiracy theorist because if you don't believe you are one, you're massively mistaken.

And to reiterate, your sir, are an idiot.

I did not address those as facts the specific things you bring up are based on my opinion. tWhy don't you address the issues I brought up about Hernandez? Are you not bright enough to come up with an argument to counter the issues I brought up about him? Why don't you address them? I dare you, come up with some reasons/excuses as to why Hernandez uses an alias, why he lies about working with the USDA, or that its unreasonable to be suspicious of someone who has a history of PED involvement. Go on I dare you to counter these arguments not go off on another topic.

Tell me is it reasonable to be suspicious of someone with previous PED involvement? If you had any balls you would answer the question, but my guess is you will choose not to because your a coward.

Originally Posted by jbp23

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by jbp23

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

JMM has not hidden who has been working with, changing his routine, looking to improve strength/power, commentators thought his size would work against him as he looked tighter and that Pac looked trimmer, looser and faster.

You know Hernadez personally to be able to comment on his character?
You're accusing Marquez of cheating?
Marquez said prior to the fight he'll take whatever test Roach/they want - Something Manny has refused to do and ruined the chance of fighting Mayweather. Ever since Mayweather accused Pac of cheating and the spotlight has been put on him Pac's performance has been getting worse...could be age/training or by your logic proof that he was cheating before.

You've only just registered and post this. Bitter Pac fan?

Do I know Hernandez no but his character or lack of is easily researched. He is an admitted PED peddler, he tried to hide who he is by using alias's but the press found out, he makes up stories about working with the USADA, he ratted out the athletes he was doping up to save his own ass and anyone anywhere knows nothing is worse than a snitch so I believe these easily researched facts show his character or lack of so I do not need to know him personally since there is a lot out there on him that shows the type of man he is.
Am I accusing Marquez of cheating? It's reasonable to believe he may have cheated based on the above noted facts and hiring a steroid peddler is the most damning fact of all. There is no logical reason to hire someone with this type of reputation as it will only invite suspicion and rightly so.
In an interview MArquez said he does not know how these questions came up, well its ebcause you hired known steroid peddler.
Are you saying having a steroid peddler/dealer is no reason to be suspicious? If you are saying so then you are naive.

Its funny how no one address the issues I brought up, they ignore them such as yourself. Why do you ignore them? Because its hard to counter them because they are all true.

So tell me his story about working with the USDA that turned out to be false, what does that tell you about him? Using an alias, what does that say about him? Being a PED peddler what does that tell you? None of that brings any suspicion? Man, all these problems do not raise any suspicion on your part then you are probably the easiest person in the world to scam, I bet telemarketers love you and you probably are broke because you sent all your money to some prince in Africa because you got an email from one stating he would make you rich. By the way just because I am new to this site does not mean I am new to boxing. I have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know.

His character can be researched? Just like you know for a fact (because you only deal in facts right?) that you know more about boxing than me. Nah, I'll raise it from idiot to thick as fuck.

He did something wrong in the past therefore it must continue to be true for the future.

You must be a pactard as you have failed to respond to the FACT that Marquez has said he'll take whatever test they want (unlike Manny, FACT)
And failed to respond to the FACT that since Mayweather and others accused Pac of cheating he has been on the slide, FACT.

It's reasonable to be suspicious but as I just posted before decided to dribble more shit, there's a well known and PUBLIC reason for Marquez and his growth.

Who gives a shit about his trainer? His trainer could be shooting anabolic steroids into his cock, as long as marquez hasn't touched them (and there is no reason to say he has except your obvious lack of boxing knowledge based opinion) then it doesn't matter.

Pacquiao opponent Marquez denies doping accusations
This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach. But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.
"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any suspicions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.
"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''

Marquez is certainly more muscular than when he fought Floyd but he has always had great conditioning, a big right hand and great skills. He is amazing.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

It's reasonable to be suspicious but as I just posted before decided to dribble more shit, there's a well known and PUBLIC reason for Marquez and his growth.

Who gives a shit about his trainer? His trainer could be shooting anabolic steroids into his cock, as long as marquez hasn't touched them (and there is no reason to say he has except your obvious lack of boxing knowledge based opinion) then it doesn't matter.

Talk about stupidity, ignoring the trainers past and its ok for him to be shooting drugs and for Marquez to have him around. Who gives a shit about his trainer, yeah because trainers having nothing to do with the fighter and the fight. Now that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Now that's a lack of boxing knowledge saying a trainer has nothing to do with a boxer's performance.
It just shows the lack of morality of most of you when no one minds that a guy who has a history of PEDS is in boxing and working with one of boxing's most well known fighters. I guess as long as your fighter wins, its ok if he possible cheated, but if your fighter loses you were probably one of those screaming Pacman was on PEDS. For the record if Pacman's strenght coach had a similar history as Hernandez then I would be equally suspicious.