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    Default Re: When has Wlad taken a flush shot and survived? (Post video clips)

    Wladiqueer is afraid of anything going near his chin

    A featherweight could smash "the glass" if he got a clean power shot in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
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    All boxers take punches in a fight but Wlad has perfected his style so that he does not get hit cleanly which is the name of the game. It is for the opponent to test Wlad’s chin and if they can not get to it and expose it then that is their fault and not Walds.


    "Style" being the operative word here.
    In Wlad's case, "style" is synonymous with "petrified avoidance of meaningful exchanges."

    Isn't it a bit of a double standard to describe Wlad's defense as "petrified avoidance of meaningful exchanges," yet describe other defensive fighters as having great defense?

    The point of boxing is to hit and not be hit. If Wlad hasn't been hit flush in 8 years, doesn't that just mean he is very effective at his craft? He's not ever in grand ole' toss ups, like Golovkin, but he works with his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses, as good as anyone in the ring today.

    @Rantcatrat, there's a fine line between being a defensive genius, and being downright scared of getting your chin touched. Defensive geniuses evade or block punches, and many times come right back with a counterpunch. There's a purpose behind the defense. You can see it in the boxer's body language. Let's go down a few weight divisions. Whitaker and Benitez were defensive wizards (much as Floyd is also). They artfully dodged the opponents' shots, but never looked scared or out of control. Their opponents weren't scared of them either, so most of the time they were on the offensive.

    Wlad, maybe because he's been KO'ed several times, fights like he's deathly afraid of getting that chin tagged. He makes fights boring, because he's unwilling to pull the trigger when the opponent is there to be had. Exhibit A: the Sultan fight. That was possibly the worst HW fight in the history of boxing. Sultan unwilling to throw meaningful shots at Wlad... and Wlad pawing at Sultan, wary of the left hand. All frigging 12 rounds long. The very few times Wlad does get tagged, he seems out of control. His eyes widen as if to say: "Oh no... here we go again."

    So no... I don't think it's a double standard at all. IMO, of course.

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    BTW, I've yet to see a video clip of Wlad getting hit flush and surviving to regain control of a fight.
    Could it be because it's never happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
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    All boxers take punches in a fight but Wlad has perfected his style so that he does not get hit cleanly which is the name of the game. It is for the opponent to test Wlad’s chin and if they can not get to it and expose it then that is their fault and not Walds.


    "Style" being the operative word here.
    In Wlad's case, "style" is synonymous with "petrified avoidance of meaningful exchanges."

    Isn't it a bit of a double standard to describe Wlad's defense as "petrified avoidance of meaningful exchanges," yet describe other defensive fighters as having great defense?

    The point of boxing is to hit and not be hit. If Wlad hasn't been hit flush in 8 years, doesn't that just mean he is very effective at his craft? He's not ever in grand ole' toss ups, like Golovkin, but he works with his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses, as good as anyone in the ring today.

    @Rantcatrat, there's a fine line between being a defensive genius, and being downright scared of getting your chin touched. Defensive geniuses evade or block punches, and many times come right back with a counterpunch. There's a purpose behind the defense. You can see it in the boxer's body language. Let's go down a few weight divisions. Whitaker and Benitez were defensive wizards (much as Floyd is also). They artfully dodged the opponents' shots, but never looked scared or out of control. Their opponents weren't scared of them either, so most of the time they were on the offensive.

    Wlad, maybe because he's been KO'ed several times, fights like he's deathly afraid of getting that chin tagged. He makes fights boring, because he's unwilling to pull the trigger when the opponent is there to be had. Exhibit A: the Sultan fight. That was possibly the worst HW fight in the history of boxing. Sultan unwilling to throw meaningful shots at Wlad... and Wlad pawing at Sultan, wary of the left hand. All frigging 12 rounds long. The very few times Wlad does get tagged, he seems out of control. His eyes widen as if to say: "Oh no... here we go again."

    So no... I don't think it's a double standard at all. IMO, of course.
    There is a difference in the method of defense. I agree there is more skill involved with Locche's, Benvenuti's, or Floyd's defense. But, at its most elemental, defense means avoiding attack. The motivation behind both is to avoid punches. Both have the same result. Do you think Floyd's defense is for a different purpose? Wlad uses his natural advantages, length and reach, as his defense.

    The point is that it is EFFECTIVE. Few have been able to penetrate it in 8 years.

    As you saw in my other post, my friend, Wlad isn't going to win any "chin" contests. He also can't fight on the inside if you want to criticize him. But, he's developed a style that is damn effective, albeit boring at times.

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    Muhammad Ali has a chin. Larry Holmes has a chin. George Foreman has a chin. JOe Frazier has a chin. Wladimir Klitschko has fucking absolute bullshit. ENd of story. End of thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
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    All boxers take punches in a fight but Wlad has perfected his style so that he does not get hit cleanly which is the name of the game. It is for the opponent to test Wlad’s chin and if they can not get to it and expose it then that is their fault and not Walds.


    "Style" being the operative word here.
    In Wlad's case, "style" is synonymous with "petrified avoidance of meaningful exchanges."

    Isn't it a bit of a double standard to describe Wlad's defense as "petrified avoidance of meaningful exchanges," yet describe other defensive fighters as having great defense?

    The point of boxing is to hit and not be hit. If Wlad hasn't been hit flush in 8 years, doesn't that just mean he is very effective at his craft? He's not ever in grand ole' toss ups, like Golovkin, but he works with his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses, as good as anyone in the ring today.

    @Rantcatrat , there's a fine line between being a defensive genius, and being downright scared of getting your chin touched. Defensive geniuses evade or block punches, and many times come right back with a counterpunch. There's a purpose behind the defense. You can see it in the boxer's body language. Let's go down a few weight divisions. Whitaker and Benitez were defensive wizards (much as Floyd is also). They artfully dodged the opponents' shots, but never looked scared or out of control. Their opponents weren't scared of them either, so most of the time they were on the offensive.

    Wlad, maybe because he's been KO'ed several times, fights like he's deathly afraid of getting that chin tagged. He makes fights boring, because he's unwilling to pull the trigger when the opponent is there to be had. Exhibit A: the Sultan fight. That was possibly the worst HW fight in the history of boxing. Sultan unwilling to throw meaningful shots at Wlad... and Wlad pawing at Sultan, wary of the left hand. All frigging 12 rounds long. The very few times Wlad does get tagged, he seems out of control. His eyes widen as if to say: "Oh no... here we go again."

    So no... I don't think it's a double standard at all. IMO, of course.
    There is a difference in the method of defense. I agree there is more skill involved with Locche's, Benvenuti's, or Floyd's defense. But, at its most elemental, defense means avoiding attack. The motivation behind both is to avoid punches. Both have the same result. Do you think Floyd's defense is for a different purpose? Wlad uses his natural advantages, length and reach, as his defense.

    The point is that it is EFFECTIVE. Few have been able to penetrate it in 8 years.

    As you saw in my other post, my friend, Wlad isn't going to win any "chin" contests. He also can't fight on the inside if you want to criticize him. But, he's developed a style that is damn effective, albeit boring at times.


    There is no argument against it being effective. It's been 17 fights and almost 9 years since his last knockout loss to Lamon Brewster. And you're right... the basic purpose of defense is to not get hit. No argument there either.

    I think Wlad catches so much flak from fans because, let's face it... boxing is generally a fan-friendly sport. Most of us tune in not only to see good defense, but good offense as well. Personally, I'd rather watch a good chess match than to watch a fight where both combatants are reluctant to engage for fear of bodily harm. At least in a chess match I know what I'm going to get.

    Don't get me wrong. I love good defensive fighters. Wilfred Benitez was the pride of Puerto Rico during his time, and I still love to watch his fights. Whitaker was a master at defense... yet he never looked scared. Floyd, regardless of his personality, is a joy to watch in the ring (in most, if not all, of his fights).

    Point is... if you're employing your defense with a strategy to (at some point) engage and defeat your opponent, via knockout or just sheer domination... that's fine and admirable. But when you're just plain scared to death of getting tagged, while at the same time your opponent is (comically) just as scared of you... well... it just doesn't get any uglier than some of Wlad's fights in recent years.

    Effective? Yes. Does he get his "W"? Yes. Is he amassing great "W-L" numbers? Absolutely. Is he giving fans what they expect out of a heavyweight fight? That, Rant, depends on which fans you ask.

    Oh... I almost forgot to mention one very important point. Some Wlad fans claim he's not all that popular in the States because he's not American. That's a copout answer, IMO. In my opinion, Wlad isn't all that popular in the States because of his boring, defense-at-all-costs fighting style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER View Post
    In the fight against Chagaev Chagaev didn't hear the end-of-the-round bell (7th round) and managed to hit Klitschko (who already lowered his defense) with a full blast punch ("His best punch of the fight") and Klitschko hardly felt it..
    This. First thing that sprung to mind when I read the thread title.

    Here' the video - Shortly after 33:30


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    Lost between all this back and forth about who's better between the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Tysons, Lewises, and Wlads... is the ability to take a great punch and react well. Ali took hundreds of big shots throughout his career and took them well. Old Foreman got hit much more often than young Foreman... and took punches exceptionally well. Frazier did nothing but take punches so he could land his own. Tyson was rocked by big hitters, and always kept on fighting. Lewis got KO'ed twice (both were avenged). But he also engaged in wars with the likes of Vitali and others.

    But what about Wlad? When has Wlad been truly tagged, and managed to survive and maybe even win the fight? Sam Peter? Is that the only example? Who else has tagged Wlad and not put his lights out?

    Wlad doesn't get hit flush, because he rarely exposes himself enough to get hit.... and because most of his opponents are scared shitless as well. So it becomes a battle of jabs and/or pawing. If the opponent makes a crass mistake, Wlad may or may not pounce. But the pouncing is done in a defensive posture. Just in case the opponent has some life left in him.

    Has Wlad proven his chin to the point where he can hang with the greats in that regard? If so, please post any video clips where Wlad is seen getting rocked, but survives the onslaught and comes back to take control of the fight.
    So are we saying he gets knocked out if he is caught flush ?
    If that is true , then Wlad has the best defence in the history of boxing , because in 62 fights he has lost only 3.
    Those stats alone say he is a defensive master , thats if you are saying he gets knocked out if he gets hit flush.
    Remember reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Lost between all this back and forth about who's better between the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Tysons, Lewises, and Wlads... is the ability to take a great punch and react well. Ali took hundreds of big shots throughout his career and took them well. Old Foreman got hit much more often than young Foreman... and took punches exceptionally well. Frazier did nothing but take punches so he could land his own. Tyson was rocked by big hitters, and always kept on fighting. Lewis got KO'ed twice (both were avenged). But he also engaged in wars with the likes of Vitali and others.

    But what about Wlad? When has Wlad been truly tagged, and managed to survive and maybe even win the fight? Sam Peter? Is that the only example? Who else has tagged Wlad and not put his lights out?

    Wlad doesn't get hit flush, because he rarely exposes himself enough to get hit.... and because most of his opponents are scared shitless as well. So it becomes a battle of jabs and/or pawing. If the opponent makes a crass mistake, Wlad may or may not pounce. But the pouncing is done in a defensive posture. Just in case the opponent has some life left in him.

    Has Wlad proven his chin to the point where he can hang with the greats in that regard? If so, please post any video clips where Wlad is seen getting rocked, but survives the onslaught and comes back to take control of the fight.
    So are we saying he gets knocked out if he is caught flush ?
    If that is true , then Wlad has the best defence in the history of boxing , because in 62 fights he has lost only 3.
    Those stats alone say he is a defensive master , thats if you are saying he gets knocked out if he gets hit flush.
    Indeed. His jab, jab, grab and lean defense has served his jello like chin well. He adapted and cured insomnia at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Lost between all this back and forth about who's better between the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Tysons, Lewises, and Wlads... is the ability to take a great punch and react well. Ali took hundreds of big shots throughout his career and took them well. Old Foreman got hit much more often than young Foreman... and took punches exceptionally well. Frazier did nothing but take punches so he could land his own. Tyson was rocked by big hitters, and always kept on fighting. Lewis got KO'ed twice (both were avenged). But he also engaged in wars with the likes of Vitali and others.

    But what about Wlad? When has Wlad been truly tagged, and managed to survive and maybe even win the fight? Sam Peter? Is that the only example? Who else has tagged Wlad and not put his lights out?

    Wlad doesn't get hit flush, because he rarely exposes himself enough to get hit.... and because most of his opponents are scared shitless as well. So it becomes a battle of jabs and/or pawing. If the opponent makes a crass mistake, Wlad may or may not pounce. But the pouncing is done in a defensive posture. Just in case the opponent has some life left in him.

    Has Wlad proven his chin to the point where he can hang with the greats in that regard? If so, please post any video clips where Wlad is seen getting rocked, but survives the onslaught and comes back to take control of the fight.
    So are we saying he gets knocked out if he is caught flush ?
    If that is true , then Wlad has the best defence in the history of boxing , because in 62 fights he has lost only 3.
    Those stats alone say he is a defensive master , thats if you are saying he gets knocked out if he gets hit flush.
    Indeed. His jab, jab, grab and lean defense has served his jello like chin well. He adapted and cured insomnia at the same time.
    I understand your point , but not getting hit and winning is part of boxing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Lost between all this back and forth about who's better between the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Tysons, Lewises, and Wlads... is the ability to take a great punch and react well. Ali took hundreds of big shots throughout his career and took them well. Old Foreman got hit much more often than young Foreman... and took punches exceptionally well. Frazier did nothing but take punches so he could land his own. Tyson was rocked by big hitters, and always kept on fighting. Lewis got KO'ed twice (both were avenged). But he also engaged in wars with the likes of Vitali and others.

    But what about Wlad? When has Wlad been truly tagged, and managed to survive and maybe even win the fight? Sam Peter? Is that the only example? Who else has tagged Wlad and not put his lights out?

    Wlad doesn't get hit flush, because he rarely exposes himself enough to get hit.... and because most of his opponents are scared shitless as well. So it becomes a battle of jabs and/or pawing. If the opponent makes a crass mistake, Wlad may or may not pounce. But the pouncing is done in a defensive posture. Just in case the opponent has some life left in him.

    Has Wlad proven his chin to the point where he can hang with the greats in that regard? If so, please post any video clips where Wlad is seen getting rocked, but survives the onslaught and comes back to take control of the fight.
    So are we saying he gets knocked out if he is caught flush ?
    If that is true , then Wlad has the best defence in the history of boxing , because in 62 fights he has lost only 3.
    Those stats alone say he is a defensive master , thats if you are saying he gets knocked out if he gets hit flush.
    Indeed. His jab, jab, grab and lean defense has served his jello like chin well. He adapted and cured insomnia at the same time.
    I understand your point , but not getting hit and winning is part of boxing.
    And I yours and fundamentally agree. The idea after-all is to hit and not get hit. Unfortunately for the spectator and because he has a chin that Locche could dent, Wlad has taken that ideal to a whole different level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Lost between all this back and forth about who's better between the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Tysons, Lewises, and Wlads... is the ability to take a great punch and react well. Ali took hundreds of big shots throughout his career and took them well. Old Foreman got hit much more often than young Foreman... and took punches exceptionally well. Frazier did nothing but take punches so he could land his own. Tyson was rocked by big hitters, and always kept on fighting. Lewis got KO'ed twice (both were avenged). But he also engaged in wars with the likes of Vitali and others.

    But what about Wlad? When has Wlad been truly tagged, and managed to survive and maybe even win the fight? Sam Peter? Is that the only example? Who else has tagged Wlad and not put his lights out?

    Wlad doesn't get hit flush, because he rarely exposes himself enough to get hit.... and because most of his opponents are scared shitless as well. So it becomes a battle of jabs and/or pawing. If the opponent makes a crass mistake, Wlad may or may not pounce. But the pouncing is done in a defensive posture. Just in case the opponent has some life left in him.

    Has Wlad proven his chin to the point where he can hang with the greats in that regard? If so, please post any video clips where Wlad is seen getting rocked, but survives the onslaught and comes back to take control of the fight.
    So are we saying he gets knocked out if he is caught flush ?
    If that is true , then Wlad has the best defence in the history of boxing , because in 62 fights he has lost only 3.
    Those stats alone say he is a defensive master , thats if you are saying he gets knocked out if he gets hit flush.
    Indeed. His jab, jab, grab and lean defense has served his jello like chin well. He adapted and cured insomnia at the same time.
    I understand your point , but not getting hit and winning is part of boxing.
    And I yours and fundamentally agree. The idea after-all is to hit and not get hit. Unfortunately for the spectator and because he has a chin that Locche could dent, Wlad has taken that ideal to a whole different level.
    That is true but if its in the rules its fair , yes it may be boring sometimes , but very effective.
    I dont remember past champs thrilling us every minute.
    Remember reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
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    Lost between all this back and forth about who's better between the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Tysons, Lewises, and Wlads... is the ability to take a great punch and react well. Ali took hundreds of big shots throughout his career and took them well. Old Foreman got hit much more often than young Foreman... and took punches exceptionally well. Frazier did nothing but take punches so he could land his own. Tyson was rocked by big hitters, and always kept on fighting. Lewis got KO'ed twice (both were avenged). But he also engaged in wars with the likes of Vitali and others.

    But what about Wlad? When has Wlad been truly tagged, and managed to survive and maybe even win the fight? Sam Peter? Is that the only example? Who else has tagged Wlad and not put his lights out?

    Wlad doesn't get hit flush, because he rarely exposes himself enough to get hit.... and because most of his opponents are scared shitless as well. So it becomes a battle of jabs and/or pawing. If the opponent makes a crass mistake, Wlad may or may not pounce. But the pouncing is done in a defensive posture. Just in case the opponent has some life left in him.

    Has Wlad proven his chin to the point where he can hang with the greats in that regard? If so, please post any video clips where Wlad is seen getting rocked, but survives the onslaught and comes back to take control of the fight.
    So are we saying he gets knocked out if he is caught flush ?
    If that is true , then Wlad has the best defence in the history of boxing , because in 62 fights he has lost only 3.
    Those stats alone say he is a defensive master , thats if you are saying he gets knocked out if he gets hit flush.
    Indeed. His jab, jab, grab and lean defense has served his jello like chin well. He adapted and cured insomnia at the same time.
    I understand your point , but not getting hit and winning is part of boxing.
    And I yours and fundamentally agree. The idea after-all is to hit and not get hit. Unfortunately for the spectator and because he has a chin that Locche could dent, Wlad has taken that ideal to a whole different level.
    That is true but if its in the rules its fair , yes it may be boring sometimes , but very effective.
    I dont remember past champs thrilling us every minute.
    Nor I a heavyweight champion with his natural gifts and size that fought like him.

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    Lost between all this back and forth about who's better between the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Tysons, Lewises, and Wlads... is the ability to take a great punch and react well. Ali took hundreds of big shots throughout his career and took them well. Old Foreman got hit much more often than young Foreman... and took punches exceptionally well. Frazier did nothing but take punches so he could land his own. Tyson was rocked by big hitters, and always kept on fighting. Lewis got KO'ed twice (both were avenged). But he also engaged in wars with the likes of Vitali and others.

    But what about Wlad? When has Wlad been truly tagged, and managed to survive and maybe even win the fight? Sam Peter? Is that the only example? Who else has tagged Wlad and not put his lights out?

    Wlad doesn't get hit flush, because he rarely exposes himself enough to get hit.... and because most of his opponents are scared shitless as well. So it becomes a battle of jabs and/or pawing. If the opponent makes a crass mistake, Wlad may or may not pounce. But the pouncing is done in a defensive posture. Just in case the opponent has some life left in him.

    Has Wlad proven his chin to the point where he can hang with the greats in that regard? If so, please post any video clips where Wlad is seen getting rocked, but survives the onslaught and comes back to take control of the fight.
    So are we saying he gets knocked out if he is caught flush ?
    If that is true , then Wlad has the best defence in the history of boxing , because in 62 fights he has lost only 3.
    Those stats alone say he is a defensive master , thats if you are saying he gets knocked out if he gets hit flush.
    Indeed. His jab, jab, grab and lean defense has served his jello like chin well. He adapted and cured insomnia at the same time.
    I understand your point , but not getting hit and winning is part of boxing.
    And I yours and fundamentally agree. The idea after-all is to hit and not get hit. Unfortunately for the spectator and because he has a chin that Locche could dent, Wlad has taken that ideal to a whole different level.
    That is true but if its in the rules its fair , yes it may be boring sometimes , but very effective.
    I dont remember past champs thrilling us every minute.
    Nor I a heavyweight champion with his natural gifts and size that fought like him.
    Also true Kevin , but as you have pointed out ,Wlad fights that way because if he didnt the first 7 rows of the crowd would be showered with glass the first big shot he took .
    Remember reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol .

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    Lost between all this back and forth about who's better between the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Tysons, Lewises, and Wlads... is the ability to take a great punch and react well. Ali took hundreds of big shots throughout his career and took them well. Old Foreman got hit much more often than young Foreman... and took punches exceptionally well. Frazier did nothing but take punches so he could land his own. Tyson was rocked by big hitters, and always kept on fighting. Lewis got KO'ed twice (both were avenged). But he also engaged in wars with the likes of Vitali and others.

    But what about Wlad? When has Wlad been truly tagged, and managed to survive and maybe even win the fight? Sam Peter? Is that the only example? Who else has tagged Wlad and not put his lights out?

    Wlad doesn't get hit flush, because he rarely exposes himself enough to get hit.... and because most of his opponents are scared shitless as well. So it becomes a battle of jabs and/or pawing. If the opponent makes a crass mistake, Wlad may or may not pounce. But the pouncing is done in a defensive posture. Just in case the opponent has some life left in him.

    Has Wlad proven his chin to the point where he can hang with the greats in that regard? If so, please post any video clips where Wlad is seen getting rocked, but survives the onslaught and comes back to take control of the fight.
    So are we saying he gets knocked out if he is caught flush ?
    If that is true , then Wlad has the best defence in the history of boxing , because in 62 fights he has lost only 3.
    Those stats alone say he is a defensive master , thats if you are saying he gets knocked out if he gets hit flush.
    Indeed. His jab, jab, grab and lean defense has served his jello like chin well. He adapted and cured insomnia at the same time.
    I understand your point , but not getting hit and winning is part of boxing.
    And I yours and fundamentally agree. The idea after-all is to hit and not get hit. Unfortunately for the spectator and because he has a chin that Locche could dent, Wlad has taken that ideal to a whole different level.
    That is true but if its in the rules its fair , yes it may be boring sometimes , but very effective.
    I dont remember past champs thrilling us every minute.
    Nor I a heavyweight champion with his natural gifts and size that fought like him.
    Also true Kevin , but as you have pointed out ,Wlad fights that way because if he didnt the first 7 rows of the crowd would be showered with glass the first big shot he took .
    Point taken. Safe to say we both know what the other means. In the end its an answerable chicken vs the egg question. His defense if you want to call it that is a direct result of his punch resistance. If only Earnie Shavers fought that way. Its 2 a.m. bud so I gotta hit the sack.

    Good chat.

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