Thread: James Degale- Not aggressive enough!

I think that's his only problem. He is just not aggressive enough for a professional. He needs to ask himself if he wants it at this level...

Hes playing the waiting game.
Letting froch and groves battle it out and see if he can pick up the pieces.

True. In a nutshell, I think he's a fringe contender level fighter.

Originally Posted by imp

Hes playing the waiting game.
Letting froch and groves battle it out and see if he can pick up the pieces.

Nonsense. He is just not aggressive enough. Groves will get slaughtered by Froch and Degale is no where NEAR being able to cope with Froch's pressure.

Degale needs to become more vicious... hit a guy 5 times in the face on the way down after a vicious shot.

He plays around in the ring too much. He needs to fight.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by imp

Hes playing the waiting game.
Letting froch and groves battle it out and see if he can pick up the pieces.

Nonsense. He is just not aggressive enough. Groves will get slaughtered by Froch and Degale is no where NEAR being able to cope with Froch's pressure.

Degale needs to become more vicious... hit a guy 5 times in the face on the way down after a vicious shot.

He plays around in the ring too much. He needs to fight.

Now I much prefer Groves to DeGale, but if you know your boxing you can clearly see that DeGale would give Froch more problems than Groves but I believe they could both beat Froch on their best day.

Froch struggles against quick, defensive, "not aggressive" fighters like Ward and quick aggressive fighters like Taylor.

You are overestimating aggression, but DeGale has some very good tools.

I personally think he's just not good at using them.

degale will be world champ one day

and groves and degale both have a very good chance of beating froch

I believe in a rematch degale will beat groves

I like groves though and would be shouting his corner in that fight

Originally Posted by erics44

degale will be world champ one day

and groves and degale both have a very good chance of beating froch

I believe in a rematch degale will beat groves

I like groves though and would be shouting his corner in that fight

Wtf?

Based on what? What has DeGale done since the Groves fight? Who has he fought?

The euro title that is it. Which was a snoozefest, just like pretty much all his fights since Groves.

Groves has been KOing decent level fighters every fight since he fought DeGale, now he is the Mandatory world challenger. I think DeGale is lucky to be as high as he is in the rankings.


I think Groves stops DeGale early if they fight again, simply because Groves seems to have improved a lot since their fight, whereas DeGale at best has stayed the same.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

Originally Posted by erics44

degale will be world champ one day

and groves and degale both have a very good chance of beating froch

I believe in a rematch degale will beat groves

I like groves though and would be shouting his corner in that fight

Wtf?

Based on what? What has DeGale done since the Groves fight? Who has he fought?

The euro title that is it. Which was a snoozefest, just like pretty much all his fights since Groves.

Groves has been KOing decent level fighters every fight since he fought DeGale, now he is the Mandatory world challenger. I think DeGale is lucky to be as high as he is in the rankings.


I think Groves stops DeGale early if they fight again, simply because Groves seems to have improved a lot since their fight, whereas DeGale at best has stayed the same.

yes groves opposition has been decent but no better than degales

who has he beat that degale wouldn't? if you put both their opponents together which is the best?

in terms of belts as you bring it up, degale has won the European and the wbc silver

groves has defended the british, won the commonwealth and an inter-continental

degales achievements are probably marginally better, not that I think it means anything really, just answering your question

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Vendettos

Originally Posted by erics44

degale will be world champ one day

and groves and degale both have a very good chance of beating froch

I believe in a rematch degale will beat groves

I like groves though and would be shouting his corner in that fight

Wtf?

Based on what? What has DeGale done since the Groves fight? Who has he fought?

The euro title that is it. Which was a snoozefest, just like pretty much all his fights since Groves.

Groves has been KOing decent level fighters every fight since he fought DeGale, now he is the Mandatory world challenger. I think DeGale is lucky to be as high as he is in the rankings.


I think Groves stops DeGale early if they fight again, simply because Groves seems to have improved a lot since their fight, whereas DeGale at best has stayed the same.

yes groves opposition has been decent but no better than degales

who has he beat that degale wouldn't? if you put both their opponents together which is the best?

in terms of belts as you bring it up, degale has won the European and the wbc silver

groves has defended the british, won the commonwealth and an inter-continental

degales achievements are probably marginally better, not that I think it means anything really, just answering your question

I agree DeGale would have beaten them but he didnt, Groves has fought better opposition.

As far as the Achievements go, Groves is fighting fora world title,while DeGale is still fighting at euro level.

As far as Groves is concerned, he by passed the Euro level straight to world.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Vendettos

Originally Posted by erics44

degale will be world champ one day

and groves and degale both have a very good chance of beating froch

I believe in a rematch degale will beat groves

I like groves though and would be shouting his corner in that fight

Wtf?

Based on what? What has DeGale done since the Groves fight? Who has he fought?

The euro title that is it. Which was a snoozefest, just like pretty much all his fights since Groves.

Groves has been KOing decent level fighters every fight since he fought DeGale, now he is the Mandatory world challenger. I think DeGale is lucky to be as high as he is in the rankings.


I think Groves stops DeGale early if they fight again, simply because Groves seems to have improved a lot since their fight, whereas DeGale at best has stayed the same.

yes groves opposition has been decent but no better than degales

who has he beat that degale wouldn't? if you put both their opponents together which is the best?

in terms of belts as you bring it up, degale has won the European and the wbc silver

groves has defended the british, won the commonwealth and an inter-continental

degales achievements are probably marginally better, not that I think it means anything really, just answering your question

I agree DeGale would have beaten them but he didnt, Groves has fought better opposition.

As far as the Achievements go, Groves is fighting fora world title,while DeGale is still fighting at euro level.

As far as Groves is concerned, he by passed the Euro level straight to world.

I would argue that since their fight degale has fought the best fighter either has fought, and im not sure in general groves opposition has been better

you say that groves has passed euro level straight to world, but he hasn't yet, he hasn't fought at euro level, yes he will get a crack at the world title before degale

on paper groves last fight seemed to be a tough one but it didn't turn out that way

to be fair both have fought a similar level of fighter since, in terms of titles degale has progressed more but groves has the chance to hit the peak first

I hope he wins and I hope they fight again and I hope he wins again

DeGay isn't aggressive enough also he isn't good enough.

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

Originally Posted by Fenster

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

its a marketing illusion

Groves fighting for a world title encapsulates my overall point on Degale- he isn't aggressive enough. And fighters who are not aggressive, you have to question their heart and skill level and their confidence in their skill level.

Groves FEELS confident enough and has a better mean spirit (for lack of a better term) than Degale. That's the main difference between those two.

Degale not just needs to step it up in terms of fighters he's facing, but he needs to become more aggressive in the ring. If he ain't come to kill nobody in the ring, don't bother stepping into it.

In the Groves fight, Degale was supposed to be all over Groves. He let Groves off of the hook, being soft, taking breaks in rounds and slacking off- he lost on points as a result of that.

It's clear Degale has the chin, he also has the skill- whether he becomes a world champion or not depends on not just his heart, but how quickly he can bring the heat straight down the middle of the pike.

Groves apparently is ready to bring that heat- regardless of the skills or tools Groves has. You have to respect that about him over Degale.

Compare Froch to both of them... do you see Froch slacking around in the ring, being soft, backing off and letting guys off the hook when he has them? Even in fights he was losing on points- to Taylor and to Ward, Froch NEVER stepped back and gave up because he BELIEVED he should 1. not only be in there, but 2. that he had a chance to win that fight, and FIGHT because that's what he was/is being paid to do- regardless of how the fight was/is going.

Same thing with Manny Pacquiao when he tried to change his personal habits to become a more softer and gentler Manny- two straight losses, one by vicious ko. Manny "says" he is back to the old Manny- I can only hope so, because not only do I wanna see action vs. Rios, but I don't want anyone to get hurt based on being a soft-cow.

Sure, a fighter getting hurt, going out in a blaze of glory is one thing- swinging while you're going down. But, to get hurt because you came to the ring slacking off? Backing away? Giving space? Or to lose because you want to be lethargic? WTF?? What about your training all of those months??

Degale has to become more aggressive, or it will be a very short and non-descript career for him. He has the tools, he has the chin, he also has moderate power- he just needs to get that killer mentality. He has to.

While Ward and Degale both won Olympic Gold Medals, Ward at the 04 Olympics and Degale at the 08, and while they both have the same temperament and calm/sensible demeanor about them, the main difference between them as pro's is that when Ward steps into the ring, he knows that while he is a very skilled boxer, he also has to fight and fight hard...

As boring as they say Ward is, the fact that his disposition in the ring when he fights is clear- clear in terms of who's the boss, who has more aggression and who comes to REALLY fight.

Degale needs to watch Ward to see what we're talking about. Ward comes to let his hands go and mix it up. Degale is still trying to be the nice guy at the wrong time- come to fight, or go home with a broken spirit, broken mind and broken body!!

That and the issue of Degale's promoter. Whoever it is, they are doing a terrible job at handling him. I hope they don't destroy him like how they are looking to destroy David Price and how they killed Audley Harrison and NEARLY ended David Haye.