Thread: Matthysse sparring Sergio Martinez

awe, I wish I could watch youtube at work

I really dont see lucas as a boxer puncher.

I'd say he's a brawler.

Danny Garcia is a boxer-puncher.

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

I'd say he's a brawler.

Danny Garcia is a boxer-puncher.

Precisely.. I mean I dont mistake danny for a technician but if either of these two deserve the label as a boxer-puncher, it's definitely danny. He's more of a boxer..

I dont know why people keep saying lucas is a boxer puncher. Lol he aint no freakin boxer . He's a plodding slugger ..

I dont think ive ever seen him outboxing somebody but ive seen him getting outboxed several times.

"Plodding slugger?" It's Matthysse not Maidana.

Good footage.

I think he outboxed Zab early on to a great extent and invested in the body well and cut him off. He's not a street bomb thrower who doesn't look to set it up.

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

@Tam Seddon @IamInuit

Jim Lampley or Max Kellerman noted during the Alexander fight that Matthysse had sparred with Matrinez for or before the Alexander fight.

Thanks bud. I noticed it was put up in Dec 2012 which would be when Martinez was in a hospital bed so I figured this must of been prior to Chavez but I could not figure out who was helping who for whom although sparring is never bad.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I think he outboxed Zab early on to a great extent and invested in the body well and cut him off. He's not a street bomb thrower who doesn't look to set it up.

It's funny, in some ways he reminds me of the more recent version of Mikkel Kessler and in some ways Miguel Cotto, although less hand speed and obviously bags more power!

***Edit***

Actually, it's a funny thing for me with regards to how I keep changing how I view brawlers - it's the style I struggle with the most. It's the style that fighters bleed in and out of the most and it is probably the least obvious style to appreciate as far as it's beauty is concerned.

Take fighters like Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran and Julio Cesar Chevez - Now, given my age (say 31) I would like to be forgiven for initially thinking that these three were simply aggressive, big hearted punchers that succumbed to superior boxers. Which although is arguably true, subject to whether you decide to account for age and/or size, hugely detracts from just how great these guys were as boxers.

The strange thing for me is looking at stand up boxers becoming brawlers through necessity or watching a slugger become a more refined brawler. It's 'give and take' but it's also 'nip and tuck', it's 'crude' but it's 'cute', savage and subtle. It generally encompasses al that is great about boxing, it's the middle-ground for all styles but it's proven to be extraordinary on numerous occasions.

Still can't quite get my head around it.

I hope garcia ko this guy.

Lucas Beats peterson and he is the second coming.

Lucas had the same power against devon and zab and it didnt work.

Hopefully garcia can show the world hes the real deal and the best at 140.

Floyd vs garcia - may 5th 2014

Originally Posted by imp

I hope garcia ko this guy.

Lucas Beats peterson and he is the second coming.

Lucas had the same power against devon and zab and it didnt work.

Hopefully garcia can show the world hes the real deal and the best at 140.

Floyd vs garcia - may 5th 2014

Wow, you are calling the most shocking thing to happen in boxing in recent memory!!!
A PPV superfight on a Monday.

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I think he outboxed Zab early on to a great extent and invested in the body well and cut him off. He's not a street bomb thrower who doesn't look to set it up.

It's funny, in some ways he reminds me of the more recent version of Mikkel Kessler and in some ways Miguel Cotto, although less hand speed and obviously bags more power!

***Edit***

Actually, it's a funny thing for me with regards to how I keep changing how I view brawlers - it's the style I struggle with the most. It's the style that fighters bleed in and out of the most and it is probably the least obvious style to appreciate as far as it's beauty is concerned.

Take fighters like Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran and Julio Cesar Chevez - Now, given my age (say 31) I would like to be forgiven for initially thinking that these three were simply aggressive, big hearted punchers that succumbed to superior boxers. Which although is arguably true, subject to whether you decide to account for age and/or size, hugely detracts from just how great these guys were as boxers.

The strange thing for me is looking at stand up boxers becoming brawlers through necessity or watching a slugger become a more refined brawler. It's 'give and take' but it's also 'nip and tuck', it's 'crude' but it's 'cute', savage and subtle. It generally encompasses al that is great about boxing, it's the middle-ground for all styles but it's proven to be extraordinary on numerous occasions.

Still can't quite get my head around it.

I get that, for me at least there is a huge gap where boxer-puncher falls and without the clear identity of a brawler or a pure boxer. Instead of the thought of a refined boxer with above average pop I've always thought it just a guy who can do and has shown both. Guys can change style over career path let alone needing to change it mid fight to adapt and win. I mean Judah boxes very solid early in fights and then gets into setting traps and loading up huge alot. Barrera was a full comer early and stalked you down and later a very solid boxer with pop. Age, experience, level of comp? All of the above maybe. Like a Whitaker going right hand savage to pull out a win, even Chavez turned boxer in Randall rematch or a Foreman fighting like a caveman in first career and coming back calm, cool and collected using jab But maybe that was just age, It is very random and open for interpretation.

Originally Posted by jehoshaphat

Originally Posted by imp

I hope garcia ko this guy.

Lucas Beats peterson and he is the second coming.

Lucas had the same power against devon and zab and it didnt work.

Hopefully garcia can show the world hes the real deal and the best at 140.

Floyd vs garcia - may 5th 2014

Wow, you are calling the most shocking thing to happen in boxing in recent memory!!!
A PPV superfight on a Monday.

Wow, you even looked up the date.

Yeah, im backing garcia.

Im not confident when i say that but i want to see him win.

Has anyone seen the sparring video with lucas and carl froch last march?

Carl said lucas punches like a mule and put him down a couple of times.

What a legend.

Originally Posted by imp

Has anyone seen the sparring video with lucas and carl froch last march?

Carl said lucas punches like a mule and put him down a couple of times.

What a legend.

That is outstanding power