Thread: Fighters who should have had better careers than they did

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Ricardo Mayorga had a better career than what was expected of him, he didn't become a big name until the Lewis fights, and it wasn't cause of his boxing skills, he wasn't expected to beat Forrest and did so twice so over achieved

Riddick Bowe is another example of an under achiever, was touted as being the next big long time king of the HW division and imploded

Juanma does fall into the category but in no way would I call him a small Kermit Cintron seeing how he accomplished more and has a better resume, his prime was just a very short one, and he lacked the discipline in and out of the ring to have a long career

Gamboa is making his way into this category with his inactivity and looking flat as of late, as does Guzman

It's funny how as irrelevant as Kermit Cintron is today (and he's pretty fucking irrelevant) he seems to have more left than Lopez. Lopez has never recovered from his first 2 losses. Salido ruined him

Kermit Cintron looked like shit the last time out, and despite having 3 TKO losses he never took the amount of damage that Lopez took in many of his fights not only the Salido fights, once Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and relied only on his power he started taking too much punishment to get the win, it wasn't just due to two fights, that's like saying that Collazo took away Hatton's chin, seeing how his punch resistance was shit in every fight following that

and lets remember that the irrelevant joke that is Cintron still managed to school Alfredo Angulo

Obviously it wasn't just the Salido fights that did him in. Journeyman bum Roger Mtagwa beat him like a slave and Marquez had him out on his feet before Tony Weeks made a rare mistake and gave Lopez almost a minute of recovery time. Lopez doesn't make it out the round without that break.

Anyway, I've heard that before. That Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and became just a slugger. Like if that is the reason for his downfall. It's not. Lopez stopped using them cuz they were mediocre at best. He would never of been champion as a boxer. He never beat a quality opponent by boxing. All his big wins were as a slugger. His power was his greatest asset. He would of been a fool not to take advantage of it.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Ricardo Mayorga had a better career than what was expected of him, he didn't become a big name until the Lewis fights, and it wasn't cause of his boxing skills, he wasn't expected to beat Forrest and did so twice so over achieved

Riddick Bowe is another example of an under achiever, was touted as being the next big long time king of the HW division and imploded

Juanma does fall into the category but in no way would I call him a small Kermit Cintron seeing how he accomplished more and has a better resume, his prime was just a very short one, and he lacked the discipline in and out of the ring to have a long career

Gamboa is making his way into this category with his inactivity and looking flat as of late, as does Guzman

It's funny how as irrelevant as Kermit Cintron is today (and he's pretty fucking irrelevant) he seems to have more left than Lopez. Lopez has never recovered from his first 2 losses. Salido ruined him

Kermit Cintron looked like shit the last time out, and despite having 3 TKO losses he never took the amount of damage that Lopez took in many of his fights not only the Salido fights, once Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and relied only on his power he started taking too much punishment to get the win, it wasn't just due to two fights, that's like saying that Collazo took away Hatton's chin, seeing how his punch resistance was shit in every fight following that

and lets remember that the irrelevant joke that is Cintron still managed to school Alfredo Angulo

Obviously it wasn't just the Salido fights that did him in. Journeyman bum Roger Mtagwa beat him like a slave and Marquez had him out on his feet before Tony Weeks made a rare mistake and gave Lopez almost a minute of recovery time. Lopez doesn't make it out the round without that break.

Anyway, I've heard that before. That Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and became just a slugger. Like if that is the reason for his downfall. It's not. Lopez stopped using them cuz they were mediocre at best. He would never of been champion as a boxer. He never beat a quality opponent by boxing. All his big wins were as a slugger. His power was his greatest asset. He would of been a fool not to take advantage of it.

funny when the one who was out on his feet was the same guy who got KTFO last week, and then quit...but lets not get into that again, and mediocre? he used his sharp punching and counter punching abilities to become champion knocking out your boy De Leon in a single round but yea you forget those details, he also used his boxing ability to break down the normally durable Luevano, not just going in with wreck-less abandonment, for someone who swears to be so knowledgeable you sure do come off as a dumb fuck when you're blinded by your jealousy and hurt feelings against a guy who made your boy quit and claim he was injured going into the fight sad really, anyways point being, he still managed to accomplish more than fat boy Bojado, Vargas, and Ortiz all guys who were supposed to be the next big thing and all besides Vargas barely left a mark

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Ricardo Mayorga had a better career than what was expected of him, he didn't become a big name until the Lewis fights, and it wasn't cause of his boxing skills, he wasn't expected to beat Forrest and did so twice so over achieved

Riddick Bowe is another example of an under achiever, was touted as being the next big long time king of the HW division and imploded

Juanma does fall into the category but in no way would I call him a small Kermit Cintron seeing how he accomplished more and has a better resume, his prime was just a very short one, and he lacked the discipline in and out of the ring to have a long career

Gamboa is making his way into this category with his inactivity and looking flat as of late, as does Guzman

It's funny how as irrelevant as Kermit Cintron is today (and he's pretty fucking irrelevant) he seems to have more left than Lopez. Lopez has never recovered from his first 2 losses. Salido ruined him

Kermit Cintron looked like shit the last time out, and despite having 3 TKO losses he never took the amount of damage that Lopez took in many of his fights not only the Salido fights, once Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and relied only on his power he started taking too much punishment to get the win, it wasn't just due to two fights, that's like saying that Collazo took away Hatton's chin, seeing how his punch resistance was shit in every fight following that

and lets remember that the irrelevant joke that is Cintron still managed to school Alfredo Angulo

Obviously it wasn't just the Salido fights that did him in. Journeyman bum Roger Mtagwa beat him like a slave and Marquez had him out on his feet before Tony Weeks made a rare mistake and gave Lopez almost a minute of recovery time. Lopez doesn't make it out the round without that break.

Anyway, I've heard that before. That Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and became just a slugger. Like if that is the reason for his downfall. It's not. Lopez stopped using them cuz they were mediocre at best. He would never of been champion as a boxer. He never beat a quality opponent by boxing. All his big wins were as a slugger. His power was his greatest asset. He would of been a fool not to take advantage of it.

funny when the one who was out on his feet was the same guy who got KTFO last week, and then quit...but lets not get into that again, and mediocre? he used his sharp punching and counter punching abilities to become champion knocking out your boy De Leon in a single round but yea you forget those details, he also used his boxing ability to break down the normally durable Luevano, not just going in with wreck-less abandonment, for someone who swears to be so knowledgeable you sure do come off as a dumb fuck when you're blinded by your jealousy and hurt feelings against a guy who made your boy quit and claim he was injured going into the fight sad really, anyways point being, he still managed to accomplish more than fat boy Bojado, Vargas, and Ortiz all guys who were supposed to be the next big thing and all besides Vargas barely left a mark

If you gonna consider the way the ref stopped Marquez last fight as quitting than the list of Puerto Rican fighters quitting grows to insane numbers. Fighter went down. Fighter got up. Ref stopped fight. If that's quitting than Lopez quit in both Salido fights. You see the stupidity in your comments now?

Lopez accomplished more than Vargas? Stupidity and deep throating at it's best there. And Ortiz win over a prime Berto trumps Lopez best win.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Ricardo Mayorga had a better career than what was expected of him, he didn't become a big name until the Lewis fights, and it wasn't cause of his boxing skills, he wasn't expected to beat Forrest and did so twice so over achieved

Riddick Bowe is another example of an under achiever, was touted as being the next big long time king of the HW division and imploded

Juanma does fall into the category but in no way would I call him a small Kermit Cintron seeing how he accomplished more and has a better resume, his prime was just a very short one, and he lacked the discipline in and out of the ring to have a long career

Gamboa is making his way into this category with his inactivity and looking flat as of late, as does Guzman

It's funny how as irrelevant as Kermit Cintron is today (and he's pretty fucking irrelevant) he seems to have more left than Lopez. Lopez has never recovered from his first 2 losses. Salido ruined him

Kermit Cintron looked like shit the last time out, and despite having 3 TKO losses he never took the amount of damage that Lopez took in many of his fights not only the Salido fights, once Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and relied only on his power he started taking too much punishment to get the win, it wasn't just due to two fights, that's like saying that Collazo took away Hatton's chin, seeing how his punch resistance was shit in every fight following that

and lets remember that the irrelevant joke that is Cintron still managed to school Alfredo Angulo

Obviously it wasn't just the Salido fights that did him in. Journeyman bum Roger Mtagwa beat him like a slave and Marquez had him out on his feet before Tony Weeks made a rare mistake and gave Lopez almost a minute of recovery time. Lopez doesn't make it out the round without that break.

Anyway, I've heard that before. That Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and became just a slugger. Like if that is the reason for his downfall. It's not. Lopez stopped using them cuz they were mediocre at best. He would never of been champion as a boxer. He never beat a quality opponent by boxing. All his big wins were as a slugger. His power was his greatest asset. He would of been a fool not to take advantage of it.

funny when the one who was out on his feet was the same guy who got KTFO last week, and then quit...but lets not get into that again, and mediocre? he used his sharp punching and counter punching abilities to become champion knocking out your boy De Leon in a single round but yea you forget those details, he also used his boxing ability to break down the normally durable Luevano, not just going in with wreck-less abandonment, for someone who swears to be so knowledgeable you sure do come off as a dumb fuck when you're blinded by your jealousy and hurt feelings against a guy who made your boy quit and claim he was injured going into the fight sad really, anyways point being, he still managed to accomplish more than fat boy Bojado, Vargas, and Ortiz all guys who were supposed to be the next big thing and all besides Vargas barely left a mark

If you gonna consider the way the ref stopped Marquez last fight as quitting than the list of Puerto Rican fighters quitting grows to insane numbers. Fighter went down. Fighter got up. Ref stopped fight. If that's quitting than Lopez quit in both Salido fights. You see the stupidity in your comments now?

Lopez accomplished more than Vargas? Stupidity and deep throating at it's best there. And Ortiz win over a prime Berto trumps Lopez best win.

This is true.

Originally Posted by iwng100

I expected a lot more thinks (like many other boxing fans) from Andre Dirrell, in fact I thought he would rule the SM division one day.

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With you on that one brother. I picked him to win the super 6. Total waste of talent and a southpaw to boot.

Lots of good suggestions in this thread. Ricardo Williams I thought had something and I also thought Bojado was the next coming of Vargas. Speaking of Vargas I'd put him on this list. He accomplished a lot but just watching the Quartey fight makes me think he could have done much more. Left the sport prematurely imo once he decided not to try.

I always had a soft spot for John Conteh. Esteban Dejesus also.

For today Jose Benavidez is starting to make me wonder. I have been building him up for several years. Somebody is asleep at the wheel.

Russell Jr is starting to look like a tin pot as incredibly talented as he is.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by iwng100

I expected a lot more thinks (like many other boxing fans) from Andre Dirrell, in fact I thought he would rule the SM division one day.

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With you on that one brother. I picked him to win the super 6. Total waste of talent and a southpaw to boot.

Lots of good suggestions in this thread. Ricardo Williams I thought had something and I also thought Bojado was the next coming of Vargas. Speaking of Vargas I'd put him on this list. He accomplished a lot but just watching the Quartey fight makes me think he could have done much more. Left the sport prematurely imo once he decided not to try.

I always had a soft spot for John Conteh. Esteban Dejesus also.

For today Jose Benavidez is starting to make me wonder. I have been building him up for several years. Somebody is asleep at the wheel.

Russell Jr is starting to look like a tin pot as incredibly talented as he is.

Benavidez is recovering from a hand injury. Shouldn't fight if he's not 100%. Especially at this stage in his career.

Russell has no excuses. He should be fighting better opposition.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Ricardo Mayorga had a better career than what was expected of him, he didn't become a big name until the Lewis fights, and it wasn't cause of his boxing skills, he wasn't expected to beat Forrest and did so twice so over achieved

Riddick Bowe is another example of an under achiever, was touted as being the next big long time king of the HW division and imploded

Juanma does fall into the category but in no way would I call him a small Kermit Cintron seeing how he accomplished more and has a better resume, his prime was just a very short one, and he lacked the discipline in and out of the ring to have a long career

Gamboa is making his way into this category with his inactivity and looking flat as of late, as does Guzman

It's funny how as irrelevant as Kermit Cintron is today (and he's pretty fucking irrelevant) he seems to have more left than Lopez. Lopez has never recovered from his first 2 losses. Salido ruined him

Kermit Cintron looked like shit the last time out, and despite having 3 TKO losses he never took the amount of damage that Lopez took in many of his fights not only the Salido fights, once Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and relied only on his power he started taking too much punishment to get the win, it wasn't just due to two fights, that's like saying that Collazo took away Hatton's chin, seeing how his punch resistance was shit in every fight following that

and lets remember that the irrelevant joke that is Cintron still managed to school Alfredo Angulo

Obviously it wasn't just the Salido fights that did him in. Journeyman bum Roger Mtagwa beat him like a slave and Marquez had him out on his feet before Tony Weeks made a rare mistake and gave Lopez almost a minute of recovery time. Lopez doesn't make it out the round without that break.

Anyway, I've heard that before. That Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and became just a slugger. Like if that is the reason for his downfall. It's not. Lopez stopped using them cuz they were mediocre at best. He would never of been champion as a boxer. He never beat a quality opponent by boxing. All his big wins were as a slugger. His power was his greatest asset. He would of been a fool not to take advantage of it.

funny when the one who was out on his feet was the same guy who got KTFO last week, and then quit...but lets not get into that again, and mediocre? he used his sharp punching and counter punching abilities to become champion knocking out your boy De Leon in a single round but yea you forget those details, he also used his boxing ability to break down the normally durable Luevano, not just going in with wreck-less abandonment, for someone who swears to be so knowledgeable you sure do come off as a dumb fuck when you're blinded by your jealousy and hurt feelings against a guy who made your boy quit and claim he was injured going into the fight sad really, anyways point being, he still managed to accomplish more than fat boy Bojado, Vargas, and Ortiz all guys who were supposed to be the next big thing and all besides Vargas barely left a mark

If you gonna consider the way the ref stopped Marquez last fight as quitting than the list of Puerto Rican fighters quitting grows to insane numbers. Fighter went down. Fighter got up. Ref stopped fight. If that's quitting than Lopez quit in both Salido fights. You see the stupidity in your comments now?

Lopez accomplished more than Vargas? Stupidity and deep throating at it's best there. And Ortiz win over a prime Berto trumps Lopez best win.

was referring to his quitting against Lopez himself not last week, last week he just got ktfo by a nobody, and sorry Berto isn't even on the same level as ANYONE Lopez has fought, what was his biggest accomplishment? winning a vacant title against a nobody? beating an ancient Quintana who hadn't been relevant for years? a gift decision win against Collazo? then going on to losing to a small Guerrero (even beat him more impressively than Ortiz himself), and then losing to the journeyman that is Soto Karass. nice try though, and apart from wins against an old Quartey, an ancient Campas, and a gift against Wright, what exactly did Vargas do after that point to have a better resume than a 2 division champ with 4 former legit world champs on his record, but yea I guess Vargas' losses to Trinidad, DLH (while he himself was juiced up which makes it even more embarrassing), twice to Mosley and then against Ricardo Mayorga about 15 lbs above any effective weight class he ever fought in lol, but yea you'll pull your infamous usb of excuses out of your ass once again, and talking about deep throating you'd know, you're the expert looking like a 2 cent whore juggling Chavez Jr, Canelo, the Marquez bros, Angulo, and Margarito's junk all at the same time, but hey to each his own

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Ricardo Mayorga had a better career than what was expected of him, he didn't become a big name until the Lewis fights, and it wasn't cause of his boxing skills, he wasn't expected to beat Forrest and did so twice so over achieved

Riddick Bowe is another example of an under achiever, was touted as being the next big long time king of the HW division and imploded

Juanma does fall into the category but in no way would I call him a small Kermit Cintron seeing how he accomplished more and has a better resume, his prime was just a very short one, and he lacked the discipline in and out of the ring to have a long career

Gamboa is making his way into this category with his inactivity and looking flat as of late, as does Guzman

It's funny how as irrelevant as Kermit Cintron is today (and he's pretty fucking irrelevant) he seems to have more left than Lopez. Lopez has never recovered from his first 2 losses. Salido ruined him

Kermit Cintron looked like shit the last time out, and despite having 3 TKO losses he never took the amount of damage that Lopez took in many of his fights not only the Salido fights, once Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and relied only on his power he started taking too much punishment to get the win, it wasn't just due to two fights, that's like saying that Collazo took away Hatton's chin, seeing how his punch resistance was shit in every fight following that

and lets remember that the irrelevant joke that is Cintron still managed to school Alfredo Angulo

Obviously it wasn't just the Salido fights that did him in. Journeyman bum Roger Mtagwa beat him like a slave and Marquez had him out on his feet before Tony Weeks made a rare mistake and gave Lopez almost a minute of recovery time. Lopez doesn't make it out the round without that break.

Anyway, I've heard that before. That Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and became just a slugger. Like if that is the reason for his downfall. It's not. Lopez stopped using them cuz they were mediocre at best. He would never of been champion as a boxer. He never beat a quality opponent by boxing. All his big wins were as a slugger. His power was his greatest asset. He would of been a fool not to take advantage of it.

funny when the one who was out on his feet was the same guy who got KTFO last week, and then quit...but lets not get into that again, and mediocre? he used his sharp punching and counter punching abilities to become champion knocking out your boy De Leon in a single round but yea you forget those details, he also used his boxing ability to break down the normally durable Luevano, not just going in with wreck-less abandonment, for someone who swears to be so knowledgeable you sure do come off as a dumb fuck when you're blinded by your jealousy and hurt feelings against a guy who made your boy quit and claim he was injured going into the fight sad really, anyways point being, he still managed to accomplish more than fat boy Bojado, Vargas, and Ortiz all guys who were supposed to be the next big thing and all besides Vargas barely left a mark

If you gonna consider the way the ref stopped Marquez last fight as quitting than the list of Puerto Rican fighters quitting grows to insane numbers. Fighter went down. Fighter got up. Ref stopped fight. If that's quitting than Lopez quit in both Salido fights. You see the stupidity in your comments now?

Lopez accomplished more than Vargas? Stupidity and deep throating at it's best there. And Ortiz win over a prime Berto trumps Lopez best win.

was referring to his quitting against Lopez himself not last week, last week he just got ktfo by a nobody, and sorry Berto isn't even on the same level as ANYONE Lopez has fought, what was his biggest accomplishment? winning a vacant title against a nobody? beating an ancient Quintana who hadn't been relevant for years? a gift decision win against Collazo? then going on to losing to a small Guerrero (even beat him more impressively than Ortiz himself), and then losing to the journeyman that is Soto Karass. nice try though, and apart from wins against an old Quartey, an ancient Campas, and a gift against Wright, what exactly did Vargas do after that point to have a better resume than a 2 division champ with 4 former legit world champs on his record, but yea I guess Vargas' losses to Trinidad, DLH (while he himself was juiced up which makes it even more embarrassing), twice to Mosley and then against Ricardo Mayorga about 15 lbs above any effective weight class he ever fought in lol, but yea you'll pull your infamous usb of excuses out of your ass once again, and talking about deep throating you'd know, you're the expert looking like a 2 cent whore juggling Chavez Jr, Canelo, the Marquez bros, Angulo, and Margarito's junk all at the same time, but hey to each his own

Stop back peddling. Everybody knows what you meant. And you say gift? Ha! Who the fuck are you trying to fool? Everybody knows if Collazo was Mexican you'll be calling that a clear win for Berto. Go back to sucking Lopez dick cuz your lack of boxing knowledge is becoming annoying. I can handle ignorance. But stupidity like yours is just irritating. You call Quartey old. He was only 31 when he fought Vargas. Campas was 27. If that's old what the fuck does that make Marquez (35) and Penalosa (3 when they fought Lopez? Both had been in way more wars than Quartey and Campas. And those are 2 of the 4 legit world champs you trying to give Lopez credit for, huh? You make this to easy.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Ricardo Mayorga had a better career than what was expected of him, he didn't become a big name until the Lewis fights, and it wasn't cause of his boxing skills, he wasn't expected to beat Forrest and did so twice so over achieved

Riddick Bowe is another example of an under achiever, was touted as being the next big long time king of the HW division and imploded

Juanma does fall into the category but in no way would I call him a small Kermit Cintron seeing how he accomplished more and has a better resume, his prime was just a very short one, and he lacked the discipline in and out of the ring to have a long career

Gamboa is making his way into this category with his inactivity and looking flat as of late, as does Guzman

It's funny how as irrelevant as Kermit Cintron is today (and he's pretty fucking irrelevant) he seems to have more left than Lopez. Lopez has never recovered from his first 2 losses. Salido ruined him

Kermit Cintron looked like shit the last time out, and despite having 3 TKO losses he never took the amount of damage that Lopez took in many of his fights not only the Salido fights, once Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and relied only on his power he started taking too much punishment to get the win, it wasn't just due to two fights, that's like saying that Collazo took away Hatton's chin, seeing how his punch resistance was shit in every fight following that

and lets remember that the irrelevant joke that is Cintron still managed to school Alfredo Angulo

Obviously it wasn't just the Salido fights that did him in. Journeyman bum Roger Mtagwa beat him like a slave and Marquez had him out on his feet before Tony Weeks made a rare mistake and gave Lopez almost a minute of recovery time. Lopez doesn't make it out the round without that break.

Anyway, I've heard that before. That Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and became just a slugger. Like if that is the reason for his downfall. It's not. Lopez stopped using them cuz they were mediocre at best. He would never of been champion as a boxer. He never beat a quality opponent by boxing. All his big wins were as a slugger. His power was his greatest asset. He would of been a fool not to take advantage of it.

funny when the one who was out on his feet was the same guy who got KTFO last week, and then quit...but lets not get into that again, and mediocre? he used his sharp punching and counter punching abilities to become champion knocking out your boy De Leon in a single round but yea you forget those details, he also used his boxing ability to break down the normally durable Luevano, not just going in with wreck-less abandonment, for someone who swears to be so knowledgeable you sure do come off as a dumb fuck when you're blinded by your jealousy and hurt feelings against a guy who made your boy quit and claim he was injured going into the fight sad really, anyways point being, he still managed to accomplish more than fat boy Bojado, Vargas, and Ortiz all guys who were supposed to be the next big thing and all besides Vargas barely left a mark

If you gonna consider the way the ref stopped Marquez last fight as quitting than the list of Puerto Rican fighters quitting grows to insane numbers. Fighter went down. Fighter got up. Ref stopped fight. If that's quitting than Lopez quit in both Salido fights. You see the stupidity in your comments now?

Lopez accomplished more than Vargas? Stupidity and deep throating at it's best there. And Ortiz win over a prime Berto trumps Lopez best win.

was referring to his quitting against Lopez himself not last week, last week he just got ktfo by a nobody, and sorry Berto isn't even on the same level as ANYONE Lopez has fought, what was his biggest accomplishment? winning a vacant title against a nobody? beating an ancient Quintana who hadn't been relevant for years? a gift decision win against Collazo? then going on to losing to a small Guerrero (even beat him more impressively than Ortiz himself), and then losing to the journeyman that is Soto Karass. nice try though, and apart from wins against an old Quartey, an ancient Campas, and a gift against Wright, what exactly did Vargas do after that point to have a better resume than a 2 division champ with 4 former legit world champs on his record, but yea I guess Vargas' losses to Trinidad, DLH (while he himself was juiced up which makes it even more embarrassing), twice to Mosley and then against Ricardo Mayorga about 15 lbs above any effective weight class he ever fought in lol, but yea you'll pull your infamous usb of excuses out of your ass once again, and talking about deep throating you'd know, you're the expert looking like a 2 cent whore juggling Chavez Jr, Canelo, the Marquez bros, Angulo, and Margarito's junk all at the same time, but hey to each his own

Stop back peddling. Everybody knows what you meant. And you say gift? Ha! Who the fuck are you trying to fool? Everybody knows if Collazo was Mexican you'll be calling that a clear win for Berto. Go back to sucking Lopez dick cuz your lack of boxing knowledge is becoming annoying. I can handle ignorance. But stupidity like yours is just irritating. You call Quartey old. He was only 31 when he fought Vargas. Campas was 27. If that's old what the fuck does that make Marquez (35) and Penalosa (3 when they fought Lopez? Both had been in way more wars than Quartey and Campas. And those are 2 of the 4 legit world champs you trying to give Lopez credit for, huh? You make this to easy.

Collazo/Berto was one of the worst decisions of the year, and most the people on here who actually know what they're talking about on here agree and make the same claim, Campas was ruined after Trinidad beat the living shit out of him, he was shot to shit by that point quitting every time he'd see his own blood or got hit a bit too much when he fought Vargas and even that much worse when he fought DLH and Santos, Quartey will go down as Vargas' best win and Quartey will forever be best known for losing to DLH, nothing else really

your weak "insults" and ripping up your predictable double sided logic is just boring now Venereal Disease, you might want to up your dose of meth cause it's just sad now

Juanma

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

David Reid another good Olympian... eventually ruined by his droopy eye and then Trinidad . fighters that could have done better but i don't know if it would change his careers (because of fatal flaws/traits) would be guys like: Luis Collazo Juan Diaz (Technically The Jury is still out on him till he finishes up) Derrick Gainer maybe, Mo Harris...

Reid went into his pro career already with the handicap Daniel Santos was the one who gave Reid the droopy eye as amateurs after that it was only a ticking time bomb, Collazo was just too dam inactive and being screwed against Hatton and Berto didn't help, Juan Diaz accomplished a bit and has had a good career, just a short lived one, he unified titles and had solid wins JM Cotto, Diaz and Freitas, then upset against Campbell and beat twice (first fight was bullshit) by Malignaggi and JMM

I agree with you on collazo. Sometimes slick isn't enough. As for the the baby bull. He did have his accomplishments. Good ones at that. He makes this list for me because he was getting sharper as he was working with ronnie shields, then all of a sudden he plateaued, he had trouble losing and keeping the baby fat off and looked softer in some fights and I doubt it was coincidental that the losses started to follow. The level of competition got steeper and his skills had the potential to do the same and instead it appeared as his choice between boxing and another career he could have obtained with his degree affected his dedication.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Ricardo Mayorga had a better career than what was expected of him, he didn't become a big name until the Lewis fights, and it wasn't cause of his boxing skills, he wasn't expected to beat Forrest and did so twice so over achieved

Riddick Bowe is another example of an under achiever, was touted as being the next big long time king of the HW division and imploded

Juanma does fall into the category but in no way would I call him a small Kermit Cintron seeing how he accomplished more and has a better resume, his prime was just a very short one, and he lacked the discipline in and out of the ring to have a long career

Gamboa is making his way into this category with his inactivity and looking flat as of late, as does Guzman

It's funny how as irrelevant as Kermit Cintron is today (and he's pretty fucking irrelevant) he seems to have more left than Lopez. Lopez has never recovered from his first 2 losses. Salido ruined him

Kermit Cintron looked like shit the last time out, and despite having 3 TKO losses he never took the amount of damage that Lopez took in many of his fights not only the Salido fights, once Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and relied only on his power he started taking too much punishment to get the win, it wasn't just due to two fights, that's like saying that Collazo took away Hatton's chin, seeing how his punch resistance was shit in every fight following that

and lets remember that the irrelevant joke that is Cintron still managed to school Alfredo Angulo

Obviously it wasn't just the Salido fights that did him in. Journeyman bum Roger Mtagwa beat him like a slave and Marquez had him out on his feet before Tony Weeks made a rare mistake and gave Lopez almost a minute of recovery time. Lopez doesn't make it out the round without that break.

Anyway, I've heard that before. That Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and became just a slugger. Like if that is the reason for his downfall. It's not. Lopez stopped using them cuz they were mediocre at best. He would never of been champion as a boxer. He never beat a quality opponent by boxing. All his big wins were as a slugger. His power was his greatest asset. He would of been a fool not to take advantage of it.

funny when the one who was out on his feet was the same guy who got KTFO last week, and then quit...but lets not get into that again, and mediocre? he used his sharp punching and counter punching abilities to become champion knocking out your boy De Leon in a single round but yea you forget those details, he also used his boxing ability to break down the normally durable Luevano, not just going in with wreck-less abandonment, for someone who swears to be so knowledgeable you sure do come off as a dumb fuck when you're blinded by your jealousy and hurt feelings against a guy who made your boy quit and claim he was injured going into the fight sad really, anyways point being, he still managed to accomplish more than fat boy Bojado, Vargas, and Ortiz all guys who were supposed to be the next big thing and all besides Vargas barely left a mark

If you gonna consider the way the ref stopped Marquez last fight as quitting than the list of Puerto Rican fighters quitting grows to insane numbers. Fighter went down. Fighter got up. Ref stopped fight. If that's quitting than Lopez quit in both Salido fights. You see the stupidity in your comments now?

Lopez accomplished more than Vargas? Stupidity and deep throating at it's best there. And Ortiz win over a prime Berto trumps Lopez best win.

was referring to his quitting against Lopez himself not last week, last week he just got ktfo by a nobody, and sorry Berto isn't even on the same level as ANYONE Lopez has fought, what was his biggest accomplishment? winning a vacant title against a nobody? beating an ancient Quintana who hadn't been relevant for years? a gift decision win against Collazo? then going on to losing to a small Guerrero (even beat him more impressively than Ortiz himself), and then losing to the journeyman that is Soto Karass. nice try though, and apart from wins against an old Quartey, an ancient Campas, and a gift against Wright, what exactly did Vargas do after that point to have a better resume than a 2 division champ with 4 former legit world champs on his record, but yea I guess Vargas' losses to Trinidad, DLH (while he himself was juiced up which makes it even more embarrassing), twice to Mosley and then against Ricardo Mayorga about 15 lbs above any effective weight class he ever fought in lol, but yea you'll pull your infamous usb of excuses out of your ass once again, and talking about deep throating you'd know, you're the expert looking like a 2 cent whore juggling Chavez Jr, Canelo, the Marquez bros, Angulo, and Margarito's junk all at the same time, but hey to each his own

Stop back peddling. Everybody knows what you meant. And you say gift? Ha! Who the fuck are you trying to fool? Everybody knows if Collazo was Mexican you'll be calling that a clear win for Berto. Go back to sucking Lopez dick cuz your lack of boxing knowledge is becoming annoying. I can handle ignorance. But stupidity like yours is just irritating. You call Quartey old. He was only 31 when he fought Vargas. Campas was 27. If that's old what the fuck does that make Marquez (35) and Penalosa (3 when they fought Lopez? Both had been in way more wars than Quartey and Campas. And those are 2 of the 4 legit world champs you trying to give Lopez credit for, huh? You make this to easy.

Collazo/Berto was one of the worst decisions of the year, and most the people on here who actually know what they're talking about on here agree and make the same claim, Campas was ruined after Trinidad beat the living shit out of him, he was shot to shit by that point quitting every time he'd see his own blood or got hit a bit too much when he fought Vargas and even that much worse when he fought DLH and Santos, Quartey will go down as Vargas' best win and Quartey will forever be best known for losing to DLH, nothing else really

your weak "insults" and ripping up your predictable double sided logic is just boring now Venereal Disease, you might want to up your dose of meth cause it's just sad now

Of course you wouldn't know about Quartey's accomplishments. And it doesn't surprise you didn't know Campas became champion after the Trinidad fight. But he was ruined. Ha! Ruined fighters don't fight the way Campas fought after the Trinidad fight. Ruined fighters fight like Juanma Lopez fights. Fool can't even throw a decent punch any more. But it was expected. When your best defense when hurt is to wave your opponent in and bang your gloves together you end up with that retarded look Lopez now has every time he gets hit

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Ricardo Mayorga had a better career than what was expected of him, he didn't become a big name until the Lewis fights, and it wasn't cause of his boxing skills, he wasn't expected to beat Forrest and did so twice so over achieved

Riddick Bowe is another example of an under achiever, was touted as being the next big long time king of the HW division and imploded

Juanma does fall into the category but in no way would I call him a small Kermit Cintron seeing how he accomplished more and has a better resume, his prime was just a very short one, and he lacked the discipline in and out of the ring to have a long career

Gamboa is making his way into this category with his inactivity and looking flat as of late, as does Guzman

It's funny how as irrelevant as Kermit Cintron is today (and he's pretty fucking irrelevant) he seems to have more left than Lopez. Lopez has never recovered from his first 2 losses. Salido ruined him

Kermit Cintron looked like shit the last time out, and despite having 3 TKO losses he never took the amount of damage that Lopez took in many of his fights not only the Salido fights, once Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and relied only on his power he started taking too much punishment to get the win, it wasn't just due to two fights, that's like saying that Collazo took away Hatton's chin, seeing how his punch resistance was shit in every fight following that

and lets remember that the irrelevant joke that is Cintron still managed to school Alfredo Angulo

Obviously it wasn't just the Salido fights that did him in. Journeyman bum Roger Mtagwa beat him like a slave and Marquez had him out on his feet before Tony Weeks made a rare mistake and gave Lopez almost a minute of recovery time. Lopez doesn't make it out the round without that break.

Anyway, I've heard that before. That Lopez abandoned his boxing skills and became just a slugger. Like if that is the reason for his downfall. It's not. Lopez stopped using them cuz they were mediocre at best. He would never of been champion as a boxer. He never beat a quality opponent by boxing. All his big wins were as a slugger. His power was his greatest asset. He would of been a fool not to take advantage of it.

funny when the one who was out on his feet was the same guy who got KTFO last week, and then quit...but lets not get into that again, and mediocre? he used his sharp punching and counter punching abilities to become champion knocking out your boy De Leon in a single round but yea you forget those details, he also used his boxing ability to break down the normally durable Luevano, not just going in with wreck-less abandonment, for someone who swears to be so knowledgeable you sure do come off as a dumb fuck when you're blinded by your jealousy and hurt feelings against a guy who made your boy quit and claim he was injured going into the fight sad really, anyways point being, he still managed to accomplish more than fat boy Bojado, Vargas, and Ortiz all guys who were supposed to be the next big thing and all besides Vargas barely left a mark

If you gonna consider the way the ref stopped Marquez last fight as quitting than the list of Puerto Rican fighters quitting grows to insane numbers. Fighter went down. Fighter got up. Ref stopped fight. If that's quitting than Lopez quit in both Salido fights. You see the stupidity in your comments now?

Lopez accomplished more than Vargas? Stupidity and deep throating at it's best there. And Ortiz win over a prime Berto trumps Lopez best win.

was referring to his quitting against Lopez himself not last week, last week he just got ktfo by a nobody, and sorry Berto isn't even on the same level as ANYONE Lopez has fought, what was his biggest accomplishment? winning a vacant title against a nobody? beating an ancient Quintana who hadn't been relevant for years? a gift decision win against Collazo? then going on to losing to a small Guerrero (even beat him more impressively than Ortiz himself), and then losing to the journeyman that is Soto Karass. nice try though, and apart from wins against an old Quartey, an ancient Campas, and a gift against Wright, what exactly did Vargas do after that point to have a better resume than a 2 division champ with 4 former legit world champs on his record, but yea I guess Vargas' losses to Trinidad, DLH (while he himself was juiced up which makes it even more embarrassing), twice to Mosley and then against Ricardo Mayorga about 15 lbs above any effective weight class he ever fought in lol, but yea you'll pull your infamous usb of excuses out of your ass once again, and talking about deep throating you'd know, you're the expert looking like a 2 cent whore juggling Chavez Jr, Canelo, the Marquez bros, Angulo, and Margarito's junk all at the same time, but hey to each his own

Stop back peddling. Everybody knows what you meant. And you say gift? Ha! Who the fuck are you trying to fool? Everybody knows if Collazo was Mexican you'll be calling that a clear win for Berto. Go back to sucking Lopez dick cuz your lack of boxing knowledge is becoming annoying. I can handle ignorance. But stupidity like yours is just irritating. You call Quartey old. He was only 31 when he fought Vargas. Campas was 27. If that's old what the fuck does that make Marquez (35) and Penalosa (3 when they fought Lopez? Both had been in way more wars than Quartey and Campas. And those are 2 of the 4 legit world champs you trying to give Lopez credit for, huh? You make this to easy.

Collazo/Berto was one of the worst decisions of the year, and most the people on here who actually know what they're talking about on here agree and make the same claim, Campas was ruined after Trinidad beat the living shit out of him, he was shot to shit by that point quitting every time he'd see his own blood or got hit a bit too much when he fought Vargas and even that much worse when he fought DLH and Santos, Quartey will go down as Vargas' best win and Quartey will forever be best known for losing to DLH, nothing else really

your weak "insults" and ripping up your predictable double sided logic is just boring now Venereal Disease, you might want to up your dose of meth cause it's just sad now

Of course you wouldn't know about Quartey's accomplishments. And it doesn't surprise you didn't know Campas became champion after the Trinidad fight. But he was ruined. Ha! Ruined fighters don't fight the way Campas fought after the Trinidad fight. Ruined fighters fight like Juanma Lopez fights. Fool can't even throw a decent punch any more. But it was expected. When your best defense when hurt is to wave your opponent in and bang your gloves together you end up with that retarded look Lopez now has every time he gets hit

you mean the trinket he picked up against Raul Marquez of all people?! hahahaha Vargas himself managed to pick up after being ruined by Trinidad cause that's what Trinidad would do to Mexicans, he'd ruin their careers, pretty much making them irrelevant but yea keep trying to build up your "argument" I've already waved Lopez off as falling short to what he should have accomplished long before this thread, even said that he was only to blame for it, but well since it hurts your butt so much to know that no matter what you try and make excuses for (the norm with you) he beat your boy up and made him quit, tough pill to swallow for you, I know