really bro?! Manny has on paper lost 2 in a row, in reality should be 1-2 in his last 3 fights the most recent being him getting KTFO by Marquez, Mayweather still undefeated and just beat up the guy considered the man at 154 theres a reason why Manny is taking on Rios who's coming off of a loss and is moving up in weight to face Pacquiao, just last year Manny was saying "Brandon Rios? Whose that?"
Manny needs to win big against Rios and dominantly if he even wants to make any type of claim to face Floyd now
Sure... let's wait for Manny-Rios, but why are so many people dead set against Floyd-Manny? Granted, it doesn't have the appeal of a few years ago. But it's not like there's a conga line of fighters lined up outside Floyd's door with the credentials to fight him. Look at the big hype for Canelo... and the inevitable results. If Canelo "deserved" a shot at Mayweather (he really didn't), surely Manny Pacquiao does also.
I never felt Canelo deserved a shot, but credit to Mayweather cause it is the fight that a lot of fight fans and writers were calling for now and he delivered, but my beef is that Manny was the one holding up the fight to begin with, he's the one that has slipped, he's the one who wants the fight now, so he should have to work up to getting it and show Mayweather a reason to pick it up, Manny NEEDS to beat Rios impressively if he wants to continue his career as a top fighter
What are you talking about ?
Canelo was far more dangerous of a fight for Mayweather than Pac-Man. And look what happened there ? Manny is coming off being nearly decapitated by JMM and before that he lost to Bradley. (Yes. Yes I think Manny won against Bradley but having looked at the fight again. It was not the robbery people make out) Even Freddie Roach does not want to work with Manny or maybe Manny does not want to work with Freddie.
Let's face it the Pac-Mans bubble has been burst.
Honestly people are not going to give Floyd credit until he steps in the ring with the Klitschkos.....at the same time and beats them with one hand tied behind his back
I also get the feeling that Floyd has to win all his three or four of his remaining fights CLEARLY to get the decision. Any close fight and he won't get it. He is not liked in the ring or outside it. Plus people want to see that '0' go. The 114-114 draw was a disgrace and I even think the 117-111 was dubious.
I did not give Canelo a round.
The funny thing is I don't think Floyd destroyed Canelo or even put a clinic on him because Canelo was always in the fight and he was never badly shaken. But Mayweather won clearly
He will run Manny out the ring. Indeed I fear for Manny's health should this fight happen. As I see another Mayweather - Corrales or Mayweather - Gatti type beating for Manny.
We can't give Mayweather a win before he actually wins, even though he is undefeated.
Everyone in boxing knows that styles makes fights... and at this stage, Manny's style vs. Floyd's style is what is making that fight notion between them remain in the air.
Everyone pretty much summed up the issue that Marquez had a little extra pop in his shot the night he dropped Manny... thanks to Angel Heredia...
With that being said, let's see what happens for Manny-Rios and then ask again: Why not Manny Pacquiao, Floyd?
Bigger man George, bigger punch!
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I still think Floyd v Pac could be an exciting fight. Pac lost a bit of speed but even so he is the only one I can think of that can give Floyd a run for his money with hand speed. I am not of the mind that the KO is going to alter Manny so much he will be a different fighter.
I would still like to see the fight.
Despite everyone saying Alvarez is the one person who could beat PBF its not true. The one person who can beat him is Pac.
Heres why:
Pac has the speed to cut the ring off and the stamina to throw punches all fight with bad intentions on most punches. But would his chin hold up if he gets hit? hes got alot of miles now.
If Pacs chin can still hold up then it would be questionable to me if PBF would have enough power in his punches to keep Pac off of him at all.
Tho PBF may be the best defensive fighter and counter puncher he doesnt have the power of someone like JMM to keep Pac honest. Im not saying Floyd couldnt KO Pac im just saying if Pacs chin is like it was several years ago I would see it as highly unlikely.
I think Pac is just a bad match up for Floyd.
Of course all this depends on how faded Pac is.
PS
If Pac isnt faded he could have a chance to win on points. If Pas is faded he becomes a punching bag somewhere right after mid fight.
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Floyd beat Manny but this fight would still be the richest fight in boxing history.
All good points. Manny's stock has fallen, to be sure. He does need an impressive victory over Rios to get back in Floyd-Manny conversations. It's the part about fight fans and writers clamoring for a Floyd-Canelo fight. All that does is point out the fact that boxing can be 90% hype... 10% earned credentials. Canelo was a TV hype job... clear and simple. The good looking, red-haired Mexican boy with looming soap opera contracts and a huge female fan base. The second coming of Oscar. You yourself know his bloated record was filled with bums and washed-up fighters. All Floyd did was say, "Ok... I'll whip this guy's ass, and if that's who they think is going to take my "0", I'll be glad to play along with the hype." Manny's stock is down... but he's had a stellar career already. Canelo was rushed into a mega-fight without the goods..... OR the resume. It's JCC Jr. all over again. All hype... and then gets schooled when he finally gets gifted a shot at the big time.
The thing is, its a lose lose situation for Floyd.
Even if he wins people will say Pac was washed up and Floyd waited until he was faded on purpose etc etc.
And even 50 years from now when people look back at the records it will show Floyd fighting someone who lost back to back fights, was old and still some how got a shot at the undefeated P4P king. So it will not even look like a good win to them.
With all that being said the fight still needs to happen lol and the sooner the better.
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