Thread: Canelo vs. Martinez at 160?

What do you think of that match-up? This of course assumes Martinez beats Cotto next and assumes Martinez would leave HBO for a fight with Canelo on Showtime.

It's a good matchup between old versus young. Assuming sergio is the same fighter after those two surgeries, I believe he's too fleet footed and quick fisted for canelo who needs a stationary target. Canelo doesnt know how to punch on the move . He needs to set his foot to throw effective shots and sergio wouldnt be there for him..

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

What do you think of that match-up? This of course assumes Martinez beats Cotto next and assumes Martinez would leave HBO for a fight with Canelo on Showtime.

Martinez looked terrible last time out. The phrase "growing old overnight" is often used but seldom witnessed. Getting injured in every fight and his legs looked gone even in the Chavez fight. He started boxing late in life and I think his cycling career has maybe come back to haunt him. I'm not sure that he gets past Cotto should it occur.

What I find amazing is that if you watch round 12 of the Martinez-Junior fight, you see that Martinez started getting into a groove at the end of the round. Junior actually tired out after dominating Martinez in the first part of the round. What a great showing of heart by the champion.

Canelo is very comfortable at making the light middleweight limit so he will not venture up to middleweight just yet. He has a few more years at light middleweight.

If Martinez has knee issues cycling is the best way to improve it.

I don't think Alvarez has that raging desire in his gut to the legs of Martinez. Martinez may be showing some holes but they are not big enough for Canelo to climb through, no way. Too big, too mobile and too Martinez. You ease up and play along with Mayweather, I kinda get that, but Trout..I'll never understand what he thinking there.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I don't think Alvarez has that raging desire in his gut to the legs of Martinez. Martinez may be showing some holes but they are not big enough for Canelo to climb through, no way. Too big, too mobile and too Martinez. You ease up and play along with Mayweather, I kinda get that, but Trout..I'll never understand what he thinking there.

I get all that but disagree, as I personally think Martinez is half shot to pieces and may well show further decline whenever he fights again. Would expect Trout to out "Martinez" Martinez to be honest And I really liked Sergio a few years back.

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I don't think Alvarez has that raging desire in his gut to the legs of Martinez. Martinez may be showing some holes but they are not big enough for Canelo to climb through, no way. Too big, too mobile and too Martinez. You ease up and play along with Mayweather, I kinda get that, but Trout..I'll never understand what he thinking there.

I get all that but disagree, as I personally think Martinez is half shot to pieces and may well show further decline whenever he fights again. Would expect Trout to out "Martinez" Martinez to be honest And I really liked Sergio a few years back.

Sergio is not that shot that a light middle could beat him. Even with one leg he beats Canelo.

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I don't think Alvarez has that raging desire in his gut to the legs of Martinez. Martinez may be showing some holes but they are not big enough for Canelo to climb through, no way. Too big, too mobile and too Martinez. You ease up and play along with Mayweather, I kinda get that, but Trout..I'll never understand what he thinking there.

I get all that but disagree, as I personally think Martinez is half shot to pieces and may well show further decline whenever he fights again. Would expect Trout to out "Martinez" Martinez to be honest And I really liked Sergio a few years back.

I just think the 'shot' talk is overblown particularly with a Martinez. Older, careless in spots and off major surgery..yes. But shot up and there to roll over, I just don't buy it. Dude isn't a kid but shot fighters don't get off the deck and close out rounds strong or late portions of fights. Martinez loose and mobile style is the first to lend itself to that thinking and while its understandable I think he still has some surprise left in him.

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I don't think Alvarez has that raging desire in his gut to the legs of Martinez. Martinez may be showing some holes but they are not big enough for Canelo to climb through, no way. Too big, too mobile and too Martinez. You ease up and play along with Mayweather, I kinda get that, but Trout..I'll never understand what he thinking there.

I get all that but disagree, as I personally think Martinez is half shot to pieces and may well show further decline whenever he fights again. Would expect Trout to out "Martinez" Martinez to be honest And I really liked Sergio a few years back.

Sergio is not that shot that a light middle could beat him. Even with one leg he beats Canelo.

Sergio is a small middleweight and probably weighs about the same as Alvarez on fight night. He's also claimed that he can make 154 easy over the last few years. I just dont see size as really a factor here.

Ftr I'm not saying the man is shot but I think his legs could be. Whether its lactic acid issues or muscle depletion. It happens. Leonard had no legs left after the 12th in the Hagler fight but he was not shot obviously as a fighter.

I addition I think Alvarez learned more in the loss to Floyd then most likely all the fights that came before it. I just dont see this as a mismatch at all at this stage and believe Martinez will continue to slide. Not everybody continue at close to 40 like Moore or Hopkins. Its all for not though because the chances of this fight happening in the present climate is slim to none and slim's vanished.

I believe it would go just like the Martinez-Chavez Jr fight went. I dont think he is shot. He was poor againt Murray but I dont think he trained as hard for that fight as he did against Chavez or he would against Canelo. I also think being his 1st fight in Argentina in so long the occasion got to him a bit. Also, apparently the ring was terribly slippy which again would be something to go against him

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I don't think Alvarez has that raging desire in his gut to the legs of Martinez. Martinez may be showing some holes but they are not big enough for Canelo to climb through, no way. Too big, too mobile and too Martinez. You ease up and play along with Mayweather, I kinda get that, but Trout..I'll never understand what he thinking there.

I get all that but disagree, as I personally think Martinez is half shot to pieces and may well show further decline whenever he fights again. Would expect Trout to out "Martinez" Martinez to be honest And I really liked Sergio a few years back.

Sergio is not that shot that a light middle could beat him. Even with one leg he beats Canelo.

Sergio is a small middleweight and probably weighs about the same as Alvarez on fight night. He's also claimed that he can make 154 easy over the last few years. I just dont see size as really a factor here.

Ftr I'm not saying the man is shot but I think his legs could be. Whether its lactic acid issues or muscle depletion. It happens. Leonard had no legs left after the 12th in the Hagler fight but he was not shot obviously as a fighter.

I addition I think Alvarez learned more in the loss to Floyd then most likely all the fights that came before it. I just dont see this as a mismatch at all at this stage and believe Martinez will continue to slide. Not everybody continue at close to 40 like Moore or Hopkins. Its all for not though because the chances of this fight happening in the present climate is slim to none and slim's vanished.

Originally Posted by Master

Canelo is very comfortable at making the light middleweight limit so he will not venture up to middleweight just yet. He has a few more years at light middleweight.

If Martinez has knee issues cycling is the best way to improve it.

I think the jury is still out on Canelo. "OVER RATED" "FAKE ASS GBP PUPPET"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Luckily he cashed out already. Canelo does not beat a half shot Martinez or a rematch with Trout. Mayweather sure knows how to pick them / build them up and beat them. He does not beat them physically but beats them soundly in the ring so one sided that their psyche is never the same. Not as good as I thought syndrome. Which fighter went on to succeed after losing to Mayweather except Marquez? Money exposes his hand picked opponents based on weaknesses he identifies before the fight. Age, inexperience, catch-weight, disparity in pay for mind advantage, etc. Good fighters but not great opponents. Which explains how a good fighter rebounds after a loss to Mayweather. If they were truly great they would return to elite level.
This guy is not going to lose because he will not fight the fighters capable of beating him and the sport has slim pickings . The guys that could have tested him were never given the opportunity. HOF, Not all time greatest. Mayweathers cap should read TB-RPRT

"The Best Champ at the Right Place at the Right Time" not TBE ......... or in short RPRT

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I don't think Alvarez has that raging desire in his gut to the legs of Martinez. Martinez may be showing some holes but they are not big enough for Canelo to climb through, no way. Too big, too mobile and too Martinez. You ease up and play along with Mayweather, I kinda get that, but Trout..I'll never understand what he thinking there.

I get all that but disagree, as I personally think Martinez is half shot to pieces and may well show further decline whenever he fights again. Would expect Trout to out "Martinez" Martinez to be honest And I really liked Sergio a few years back.

Sergio is not that shot that a light middle could beat him. Even with one leg he beats Canelo.

Sergio is a small middleweight and probably weighs about the same as Alvarez on fight night. He's also claimed that he can make 154 easy over the last few years. I just dont see size as really a factor here.

Ftr I'm not saying the man is shot but I think his legs could be. Whether its lactic acid issues or muscle depletion. It happens. Leonard had no legs left after the 12th in the Hagler fight but he was not shot obviously as a fighter.

I addition I think Alvarez learned more in the loss to Floyd then most likely all the fights that came before it. I just dont see this as a mismatch at all at this stage and believe Martinez will continue to slide. Not everybody continue at close to 40 like Moore or Hopkins. Its all for not though because the chances of this fight happening in the present climate is slim to none and slim's vanished.

What did he learn except how to fill up more squares on a bank deposit slip. The idiot tried to outbox a quicker man that he outweighed by 15 pounds. How fucken moronic is that. Not only any man but the best fundamental boxer in the sport today.
The punk tried to out deep throat Linda Lovelace .... I hope you enjoy your next cable satellite bill Canelo Nut Huggers. He used the ODLH recipe of do not fight like the Mexican you are. He needed Castillo's recipe not the Doped out Trannys recipe.

I think Canelo tried to pressure Floyd but the tosser moved too quick. Agreed Saul could have pressured more but that is easier said than done with Mayweather.