Thread: p4p most disliked fighters to watch

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

*i'll say this..in my youth, I didn't care for Sweet pea's style... AT ALL...not that i'm older, I can't take my eyes off him... it's funny how things change and the way u see them,

I use to watch Pernell a lot and could never figure his style and why other fighters could not hit never mind beat him. He had great body work and conditioning but I was not a fan but admired his skills in beating Chavez, Buddy McGirt, Nelson and the british fighter Jacobs. The way he beat Vasquez at light middle was pure quality.

*im not sure the average fan knows just how animalistic Vasquez was when Pernel beat him... Vasquez was a VERY tuff fighter... would he beat the likes of canelo ,now..maybe... that's how good he was, and how good pernell was.
i'm the same as u, I would think"why can't he be hit. it'always pisses me off that I never got in the ring with Pernell... he'd wander into San Fernando Gym in San Antonio every now and again..no fan-fare... he'd be in town and would go to the gym. I remember hitting the bag once and saying.."that's pernell over there"..all alone shadow boxing... I wish I had been in shape and got I the ring with, just to see what his thing was. I was a jabbing futhafka with a viscious hook,,, Tony Ayala once called my hook "a work of art"...
Another time, i'm hitting the bag... and the guy behing me is Orlando Canizalez... I nod my head, a slight "whats up"motion and continue on my busness..I turn to the bag and there's Gabby...

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

*i'll say this..in my youth, I didn't care for Sweet pea's style... AT ALL...not that i'm older, I can't take my eyes off him... it's funny how things change and the way u see them,

I use to watch Pernell a lot and could never figure his style and why other fighters could not hit never mind beat him. He had great body work and conditioning but I was not a fan but admired his skills in beating Chavez, Buddy McGirt, Nelson and the british fighter Jacobs. The way he beat Vasquez at light middle was pure quality.

*im not sure the average fan knows just how animalistic Vasquez was when Pernel beat him... Vasquez was a VERY tuff fighter... would he beat the likes of canelo ,now..maybe... that's how good he was, and how good pernell was.
i'm the same as u, I would think"why can't he be hit. it'always pisses me off that I never got in the ring with Pernell... he'd wander into San Fernando Gym in San Antonio every now and again..no fan-fare... he'd be in town and would go to the gym. I remember hitting the bag once and saying.."that's pernell over there"..all alone shadow boxing... I wish I had been in shape and got I the ring with, just to see what his thing was. I was a jabbing futhafka with a viscious hook,,, Tony Ayala once called my hook "a work of art"...
Another time, i'm hitting the bag... and the guy behing me is Orlando Canizalez... I nod my head, a slight "whats up"motion and continue on my busness..I turn to the bag and there's Gabby...

I couldn't stand Whitaker either, not a bit. Likewise I came to respect him off the Chavez fight where I sat up straight and looked past his cocky clowny ways that were there and the Vasquez win was quality. Vazquez was a pure comer with whipping power and a very sharp left hand who never stopped chugging. He wasn't tremendous when facing a quality boxer, Davis could make a case for a win and Wright did well in between all those KDS and slips but Vaquez was no joke and if you got careless like Daniels, he could detonate you with a single shot!

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

*i'll say this..in my youth, I didn't care for Sweet pea's style... AT ALL...not that i'm older, I can't take my eyes off him... it's funny how things change and the way u see them,

I use to watch Pernell a lot and could never figure his style and why other fighters could not hit never mind beat him. He had great body work and conditioning but I was not a fan but admired his skills in beating Chavez, Buddy McGirt, Nelson and the british fighter Jacobs. The way he beat Vasquez at light middle was pure quality.

*im not sure the average fan knows just how animalistic Vasquez was when Pernel beat him... Vasquez was a VERY tuff fighter... would he beat the likes of canelo ,now..maybe... that's how good he was, and how good pernell was.
i'm the same as u, I would think"why can't he be hit. it'always pisses me off that I never got in the ring with Pernell... he'd wander into San Fernando Gym in San Antonio every now and again..no fan-fare... he'd be in town and would go to the gym. I remember hitting the bag once and saying.."that's pernell over there"..all alone shadow boxing... I wish I had been in shape and got I the ring with, just to see what his thing was. I was a jabbing futhafka with a viscious hook,,, Tony Ayala once called my hook "a work of art"...
Another time, i'm hitting the bag... and the guy behing me is Orlando Canizalez... I nod my head, a slight "whats up"motion and continue on my busness..I turn to the bag and there's Gabby...

I couldn't stand Whitaker either, not a bit. Likewise I came to respect him off the Chavez fight where I sat up straight and looked past his cocky clowny ways that were there and the Vasquez win was quality. Vazquez was a pure comer with whipping power and a very sharp left hand who never stopped chugging. He wasn't tremendous when facing a quality boxer, Davis could make a case for a win and Wright did well in between all those KDS and slips but Vaquez was no joke and if you got careless like Daniels, he could detonate you with a single shot!

Now would you agree with me when I say Floyd has done nothing more than what Pernell did a few years ago earlier?

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

*i'll say this..in my youth, I didn't care for Sweet pea's style... AT ALL...not that i'm older, I can't take my eyes off him... it's funny how things change and the way u see them,

I use to watch Pernell a lot and could never figure his style and why other fighters could not hit never mind beat him. He had great body work and conditioning but I was not a fan but admired his skills in beating Chavez, Buddy McGirt, Nelson and the british fighter Jacobs. The way he beat Vasquez at light middle was pure quality.

*im not sure the average fan knows just how animalistic Vasquez was when Pernel beat him... Vasquez was a VERY tuff fighter... would he beat the likes of canelo ,now..maybe... that's how good he was, and how good pernell was.
i'm the same as u, I would think"why can't he be hit. it'always pisses me off that I never got in the ring with Pernell... he'd wander into San Fernando Gym in San Antonio every now and again..no fan-fare... he'd be in town and would go to the gym. I remember hitting the bag once and saying.."that's pernell over there"..all alone shadow boxing... I wish I had been in shape and got I the ring with, just to see what his thing was. I was a jabbing futhafka with a viscious hook,,, Tony Ayala once called my hook "a work of art"...
Another time, i'm hitting the bag... and the guy behing me is Orlando Canizalez... I nod my head, a slight "whats up"motion and continue on my busness..I turn to the bag and there's Gabby...

I couldn't stand Whitaker either, not a bit. Likewise I came to respect him off the Chavez fight where I sat up straight and looked past his cocky clowny ways that were there and the Vasquez win was quality. Vazquez was a pure comer with whipping power and a very sharp left hand who never stopped chugging. He wasn't tremendous when facing a quality boxer, Davis could make a case for a win and Wright did well in between all those KDS and slips but Vaquez was no joke and if you got careless like Daniels, he could detonate you with a single shot!

Now would you agree with me when I say Floyd has done nothing more than what Pernell did a few years ago earlier?

For sure, but I do think Whitaker did it bigger and to me Vazquez was more of a fluid live and seasoned threat who showed different gears...hindsight being 20-20. Also none of that catchweight bullcrap. Whitaker had to get off the canvas and felt those body shots early but that was a masterclass display.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

*i'll say this..in my youth, I didn't care for Sweet pea's style... AT ALL...not that i'm older, I can't take my eyes off him... it's funny how things change and the way u see them,

I use to watch Pernell a lot and could never figure his style and why other fighters could not hit never mind beat him. He had great body work and conditioning but I was not a fan but admired his skills in beating Chavez, Buddy McGirt, Nelson and the british fighter Jacobs. The way he beat Vasquez at light middle was pure quality.

*im not sure the average fan knows just how animalistic Vasquez was when Pernel beat him... Vasquez was a VERY tuff fighter... would he beat the likes of canelo ,now..maybe... that's how good he was, and how good pernell was.
i'm the same as u, I would think"why can't he be hit. it'always pisses me off that I never got in the ring with Pernell... he'd wander into San Fernando Gym in San Antonio every now and again..no fan-fare... he'd be in town and would go to the gym. I remember hitting the bag once and saying.."that's pernell over there"..all alone shadow boxing... I wish I had been in shape and got I the ring with, just to see what his thing was. I was a jabbing futhafka with a viscious hook,,, Tony Ayala once called my hook "a work of art"...
Another time, i'm hitting the bag... and the guy behing me is Orlando Canizalez... I nod my head, a slight "whats up"motion and continue on my busness..I turn to the bag and there's Gabby...

I couldn't stand Whitaker either, not a bit. Likewise I came to respect him off the Chavez fight where I sat up straight and looked past his cocky clowny ways that were there and the Vasquez win was quality. Vazquez was a pure comer with whipping power and a very sharp left hand who never stopped chugging. He wasn't tremendous when facing a quality boxer, Davis could make a case for a win and Wright did well in between all those KDS and slips but Vaquez was no joke and if you got careless like Daniels, he could detonate you with a single shot!

Now would you agree with me when I say Floyd has done nothing more than what Pernell did a few years ago earlier?

For sure, but I do think Whitaker did it bigger and to me Vazquez was more of a fluid live and seasoned threat who showed different gears...hindsight being 20-20. Also none of that catchweight bullcrap. Whitaker had to get off the canvas and felt those body shots early but that was a masterclass display.

This is brilliant. Some consider Floyd and Whitaker boring and yet others just as interested consider them pugilistic masters.

I'll tell you whats boring. Spending 10 bucks on a cab in order to get to a bar to see Tyson/Seldon. Others at home would consider the 40 dollar ppv as money well spent. It matched the instant gratification of that 2 minute microwave Captain Highliner dish.

Sorry about that butchering of the last name Capitan.

With all that has been said about the Pernell Whitaker appreciation society, the crux of the matter is that we would watch him only if the opponent represented a real challenge for him otherwise it would be just one way traffic and boring.

Originally Posted by Master

With all that has been said about the Pernell Whitaker appreciation society, the crux of the matter is that we would watch him only if the opponent represented a real challenge for him otherwise it would be just one way traffic and boring.

But cant that be applied to any fighter really? Trust me, there was always hope Whitaker would have caught a bomb but then they make the legit bombers look foolish. Both had track meets and bores, but for me Whitaker ran through hotter fires than steady snow.

Disliked why? Because their styles are torture to watch? Or because you dislike them as fighters so much you're dying for them to lose? Not sure which one you mean.... so I'll answer both.

Because of their styles... that would include fighters who are afraid to go on offense because they're scared of getting hit. No chin.... no defense.... etc, etc. Also guys who ruin fights with tactics like excessive clinching, or headbutting. Tim Bradley falls into the latter category. It's like waiting for the next headbutt to occur. Mauling and fouling is another tactic I can't stand. It's like the fighter is trying to make up for lack of pure boxing skills and/or power by mauling. Hopkins is an ATG... but his style never did much for me. Throwing pitty-pat flurries only to impress the judges is another style I abhor. It works for the judges, but not for me. The DLH-Quartey fight was fun to watch and a great fight. But I remember DLH doing this "look-at-me" flurry once or twice. A lot of slaps... not much punching.

Because I can't stand them.... that would include habitual cheaters, coddled fighters, low-life scumbags who are downright worthless outside of a boxing ring..... you know..... stuff like that. Also young punks who are more style than substance. I usually can't wait for those to get their comeuppance. But in these cases, I've been known to change my mind over time. One example was Zab Judah. Hated his punk ass in the very beginning... but have gotten to like him as he's matured and shown some balls and heart in the ring.

On the 2nd type, their fights can be exciting... so I don't mind watching them.
I just have a huge vested interest in the outcome.

Klitchko