Thread: re-birth of Cotto...

Nonsense thread title. It was an early stoppage against someone he should be stopping. How many rebirths can one man need, maybe they aren't rebirths but carefully managed comebacks. This was just step one in one of those. It's a rebirth if he beats the top guys, not people like this.

He'll forever be Margarito's bitch... re-birth lol

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

wouldn't a Bronner vs Cotto fight be nice..

Not for Broner.

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

He'll forever be Margarito's bitch... re-birth lol

who retired who?! hahahaha

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Does Cotto go for canelo at 154? Or move up to 160 and challenge Martinez?

*Doesn't need to, there's a lot to be done at 147... Bronner, Maybe Garcia moves up, there's still a re-match with Trout, ..there's more comp at 147 than at anything over 150..where he's at a disadvantage anyway.. if Cotto is gunna look like this, 147 is where he belongs.

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Does Cotto go for canelo at 154? Or move up to 160 and challenge Martinez?

*Doesn't need to, there's a lot to be done at 147... Bronner, Maybe Garcia moves up, there's still a re-match with Trout, ..there's more comp at 147 than at anything over 150..where he's at a disadvantage anyway.. if Cotto is gunna look like this, 147 is where he belongs.

He's already at 154 and I doubt he makes 147 anymore safely. Garcia is not moving up that far and Broner is still talking about going down to defend his 135 tin. But again I just dont see Cotto fighting at 147. He might attempt it for a rematch with Floyd or Manny but I doubt it.

I'm not buying into the hype of a Cotto "re-birth" if he fights Canelo or Martinez or Floyd II he's going to have trouble.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I'm not buying into the hype of a Cotto "re-birth" if he fights Canelo or Martinez or Floyd II he's going to have trouble.

Agreed. I didn't see any rebirth of Cotto. What I saw was him being spoonfed a very outmatched opponent which made him look good but let's not make out he made some kind of statement.


He did what he should have done vs that calibre of opposition. He did well vs floyd who was trying to fight a fan friendly style that night which didn't work for him. Once he realised he wasn't good enough to fight that way he reverted to his boxing and movement ever since.

A return with Cotto would go the same way

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Does Cotto go for canelo at 154? Or move up to 160 and challenge Martinez?

*Doesn't need to, there's a lot to be done at 147... Bronner, Maybe Garcia moves up, there's still a re-match with Trout, ..there's more comp at 147 than at anything over 150..where he's at a disadvantage anyway.. if Cotto is gunna look like this, 147 is where he belongs.

I don't see him going to 147 personally , but if he did a fight with Garcia would be interesting.

Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Rodriguez and Vera are both journeymen. Only difference Vera is a journeyman who actually goes out there and fights. Looking to win. He gives 100% all the time. Rodriguez doesn't do that. He's happy to just be there. Go through the motions. And get paid. He was never there to win.

*U don't know what ur talking about, ..Rodriquez is a dangerous fighter, with skill... he's more of a gatekeeper than Journeyman, but make no bones about it, Rodriquez CAN fight. For Cotto to come in and beat a B fighter in Rodriquez is a serious statement. Rodriquez has been in withsome some serious comp as of late and had dedicated himself . ... it's a nice job by Cotto. i'd like to see Cotto do this again before I put him in with the best fighters, but early consensus is..HE'S BACK.

p.s U can say whatever, under Diaz lately, Cotto looked like a shot fighter...

Cotto is one of my favorite fighters, but I'm pragmatic about his ability to perform at the very elite levels anymore. Miguel is now 32 years old, he's been in some wars, he's not going to get any faster or take a punch any better than he used to. Yes he's still good enough to compete at the top of 154, but P4P....those days are gone.

Here's the cold hard truth.

Delvin Rodriguez is 33, 5(2 KO's)-5-2 in his last 12 fights, and his style is not one that mirrors: Floyd, Canelo, or Martinez.

If Cotto fights Floyd he might do ok, he might get whupped worse, because Floyd knows what to expect even more so now. Canelo is a tricky proposition as is Martinez. Sergio is older, but he's bigger, he's a solid boxer and he's got power that can catch you off guard. We'll have to see how Canelo reacts to the defeat at the hands of Mayweather...maybe he comes back with something to prove, maybe he comes back broken. Whatever the case Miguel is not the favorite in a matchup vs any of the 3 and now with Roach a rematch vs Pac is out of the question, which IMO would have been the BEST option for him had he stayed with Diaz.

This is by no means a rebirth. He did what he was supposed to do against a level b journeymen. I hope he stays at 154 because he is not a middleweight and would probably get knocked out against Sergio which is the fight Arum is trying to make. If he wants 1 last payday then go ahead and fight Canelo or Martinez. If he wants to stay in the sport awhile longer then fight Carlos Molina for that other belt.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Cotto is one of my favorite fighters, but I'm pragmatic about his ability to perform at the very elite levels anymore. Miguel is now 32 years old, he's been in some wars, he's not going to get any faster or take a punch any better than he used to. Yes he's still good enough to compete at the top of 154, but P4P....those days are gone.

Here's the cold hard truth.

Delvin Rodriguez is 33, 5(2 KO's)-5-2 in his last 12 fights, and his style is not one that mirrors: Floyd, Canelo, or Martinez.

If Cotto fights Floyd he might do ok, he might get whupped worse, because Floyd knows what to expect even more so now. Canelo is a tricky proposition as is Martinez. Sergio is older, but he's bigger, he's a solid boxer and he's got power that can catch you off guard. We'll have to see how Canelo reacts to the defeat at the hands of Mayweather...maybe he comes back with something to prove, maybe he comes back broken. Whatever the case Miguel is not the favorite in a matchup vs any of the 3 and now with Roach a rematch vs Pac is out of the question, which IMO would have been the BEST option for him had he stayed with Diaz.

That's a fair analysis. Martinez to me is out of the question simply because they come from both ends of the size spectrum. Martinez outgrew lightmiddle a long time ago... and there's little chance he'd venture down too 154. Cotto, on the other hand, is small for 154.... let alone 160.

Cotto did his best against Floyd (better than any of Floyd's recent opponents, I might add)..... but he's simply not good enough to beat Floyd. I thought Diaz had the perfect gameplan and put Cotto through the perfect training regimen for Floyd.... but it wasn't meant to be.

Canelo is the most logical choice of the three.... but the fight would have to happen soon. Cotto is on the other side of his physical peak, while Canelo is still reaching his. Time is not on Cotto's side for sure.

Let's see what happens.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

He'll forever be Margarito's bitch... re-birth lol

who retired who?! hahahaha

Pacman retired margarito by beating it out of him and destroying his eye in the process..

Cotto fought a shell of margarito and still fought scared, even trying to fight him at a cw of 151. Thats a bitch move.

History only remembers what fighters accomplished in their primes when they were at their absolute best and margo took cotto's virginity..

A prime margarito made a prime cotto get on his knees and quit.. thats a fact

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

He'll forever be Margarito's bitch... re-birth lol

who retired who?! hahahaha

Pacman retired margarito by beating it out of him and destroying his eye in the process..

Cotto fought a shell of margarito and still fought scared, even trying to fight him at a cw of 151. Thats a bitch move.

History only remembers what fighters accomplished in their primes when they were at their absolute best and margo took cotto's virginity..

A prime margarito made a prime cotto get on his knees and quit.. thats a fact

that's why every sports writer acknowledges that after being found out as a cheat Margarito deserves a asterisk next to his well entire record, especially the Cotto fight where EVERY major sports writer basically believes he cheated

the real fact is that he only won one fight after being exposed as a fraud and a cheat and that was against a bum, that's a real FACT, and the eye shouldn't have stopped his ability to "pressure" Cotto which he couldn't because he was outboxed, outslugged, and even out muscled when Cotto pressured him and pushed Margarito's pussy ass into the ropes to pound on him, stopping the whiney bitch a round earlier than Margarito could even with the aid of loaded gloves hahaha, what's the last fight on Margarito's record? why didn't he go on with his little comeback bout as he stated? because the bitch was exposed and now has nightmares of the ass whooping he suffered against Cotto, that's why he'd rather work in his little taco cart haha

you say that Margarito made Cotto "quit" in their first fight, Cotto made the bitch QUIT HIS CAREER HAHAHAHA