Thread: Cotto vs. Martinez - June 2014

Cotto looked great against Rodriguez. Martinez looked crap against Murray. Are they on opposite trajectories? Is Martinez's body too broken down to compete at the top level? Was Cotto's performance more a reflection on his opponent rather than his level of competitiveness?

assuming that Martinez's knee heals up properly and he can fight at 100% he'd probably be too big, too strong for Cotto, I don't think that he'd be able to handle the weight at 160

Cotto is already small for 147.. This fight is silly. Plus if Cotto is changing weight classes he's probably dropping down. Martinez should focus on his weight class with guys like GGG and Kid Chocolate around he is in no position to be acting like he has no more challenges in his weight. Especially after his last fight..

Either way Martinez by UD. In a fight that won't really matter.

Originally Posted by outspoken

Cotto is already small for 147.. This fight is silly. Plus if Cotto is changing weight classes he's probably dropping down. Martinez should focus on his weight class with guys like GGG and Kid Chocolate around he is in no position to be acting like he has no more challenges in his weight. Especially after his last fight..

Either way Martinez by UD. In a fight that won't really matter.

I disagree, IMO 147 is Cotto's natural weight, cause although 5'7 he's stocky and has a big enough frame to naturally carry the weight, but he's definately too small for 154 even moreso 160

Martinez said in an interview, he's already considering fighting Vera if Chavez doesn't go through with the rematch, not that that fight would be competitive, but he's right that Vera is more deserving than Jr., but he has real options at 160 and 168, there's GGG, Quilin, Sturm/Barker rematch, Murray rematch, Geale, Froch, Bute, Stieglitz, Ward/Rodriguez winner, Groves, Bika, or DeGale

there are good fights for him, just all depends how much he can come back from the surgery at his age

but Cotto has Alvarez at 154 and plenty of options at 147, shouldn't make the jump to 160

I like cotto.

But against floyd or trout the same thing happens again.

He should retire after a canelo or martinez fight as cotto takes alot of damage in his fights

Originally Posted by imp

I like cotto.

But against floyd or trout the same thing happens again.

He should retire after a canelo or martinez fight as cotto takes alot of damage in his fights

no one mentioned Floyd or Trout in this thread just Martinez

Originally Posted by imp

I like cotto.

But against floyd or trout the same thing happens again.

He should retire after a canelo or martinez fight as cotto takes alot of damage in his fights

Call me crazy but properly trained by Roach, I think that Cotto executes Canelo with a severe punishment.

Originally Posted by Nameless

Originally Posted by imp

I like cotto.

But against floyd or trout the same thing happens again.

He should retire after a canelo or martinez fight as cotto takes alot of damage in his fights

Call me crazy but properly trained by Roach, I think that Cotto executes Canelo with a severe punishment.

You are crazy. Sergio and Saul beat Cotto.

Originally Posted by outspoken

Cotto is already small for 147.. This fight is silly. Plus if Cotto is changing weight classes he's probably dropping down. Martinez should focus on his weight class with guys like GGG and Kid Chocolate around he is in no position to be acting like he has no more challenges in his weight. Especially after his last fight..

Either way Martinez by UD. In a fight that won't really matter.

Cotto and Roach called out Martinez after beating Rodriguez. While I think he was best at 140-147, Cotto has become a junior middleweight, as he has not fought at 147 in a couple of years.

As far as I know, Martinez has not acted like he has no challenges at his weight.

How can you say the fight won't matter? A Martinez-Cotto fight has been brewing for a few years now.

Considering your opinion of Cotto at 147, did you criticize Trout for fighting Cotto at 154?

As an aside, Sergio Martinez To Sit Down With Pope Francis - Boxing News

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by imp

I like cotto.

But against floyd or trout the same thing happens again.

He should retire after a canelo or martinez fight as cotto takes alot of damage in his fights

no one mentioned Floyd or Trout in this thread just Martinez

So what. Trout and mayweather are the measuring sticks.

Canelo is another young gun with power that carries the weight better.

To talk about martinez that has an even greater weight advantage adds to the issue.

We all want to see cotto do well but the last fight was to just make roach look invincible again and stir up some hype to get cotto back in the mix again.

Cotto can look great at 147 and 154 against the right opponents.

Originally Posted by imp

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by imp

I like cotto.

But against floyd or trout the same thing happens again.

He should retire after a canelo or martinez fight as cotto takes alot of damage in his fights

no one mentioned Floyd or Trout in this thread just Martinez

So what. Trout and mayweather are the measuring sticks.

Canelo is another young gun with power that carries the weight better.

To talk about martinez that has an even greater weight advantage adds to the issue.

We all want to see cotto do well but the last fight was to just make roach look invincible again and stir up some hype to get cotto back in the mix again.

Cotto can look great at 147 and 154 against the right opponents.

True, but a lot of people here said Cotto was all done and Roach was a bad move. Many said Cotto would lose and be all done after this fight. I have not really been a big Cotto fan but I was very interested to see how he would fare in his return with Roach. Who knows how he will do as he gets back to high profile fights but I enjoyed the hell out of this fight. Probably because it was after watching one of the worst fights I have ever seen with the hugster Wlad, plus the Crawford fight wasn't that good either

Cotto needs a few more Rodriguez type opponents before stepping up for 1 last payday. Cotto is still a huge attraction and is good for boxing. Martinez will train his ass off and eventually get the late round ko in a fight that should not happen.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Cotto looked great against Rodriguez. Martinez looked crap against Murray. Are they on opposite trajectories? Is Martinez's body too broken down to compete at the top level? Was Cotto's performance more a reflection on his opponent rather than his level of competitiveness?

I'm not sure about some of the reasoning in this thread but anyway I think its a good fight and I'd wager they would do it at a catch. I think Cotto has seen his best days but so has Martinez. A 3 inch height advantage is nothing. In addition Martinez is not some massive middle. Cotto has simply out grown 147. I only see him attempting it for one of the two money pits but then he might have to change trainers again. Funny cause Floyd has not and yet he's expected to fight Martinez or TripleG but that is another thread. Cotto pulled out all stops to win the fight with Delvin starting with the opponent and followed by yet another trainer change. If Cotto did not win that fight I honestly think that was it for him. Cotto would probably take the fight but I dont see Martinez doing it coming off another injury. I think we are far more likely to see Cotto/Alvarez.

Martinez might be too big for Cotto.
After all, he does have a significant 6-inch reach advantage.

But if it were to happen, it would be a fight between two boxing greats. Two classy gentlemen, who have brought glory to the sport in the ring. Two fighters with wonderful resumes, who have fought the best there is to fight..... from Day One. No bloated records, no 30-pound weight advantages through drug use, no cheating, no undue hype. Just two fighters who would give us boxing fans a good show. And what better way to start on their way out of boxing (and into the HOF) than to face each other in a mega-match.

Yeah.... come to think of it..... Cotto-Martinez would be great for boxing.