Thread: Does total punch output mean you should win the fight?

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

pitter patter assholes like _______ and ___________ maY LAND a hundred more punches, like butterflies alighting on a stem, but they have no effect on the opponent.

And then other fighters may land only 2 punches, and........

Lmfao speaking of pity patters, Calzaghe comes to mind.. he looked so funny when throwing those pity pat slap combos .. just looks so girly ..

I cant believe that same girly combo got him a stoppage victory over manfredo.. that was just criminal.

agreed, they got hit with a barrage of monarch shots, a few flurries of moth shots, and even a chrysalis or two, then the butterfly ref fluttered in and waved it off. utterly perplexing, really.

Well here is the thing if a guy is landing punches that are solid and has no power is he effective or if can't hurt the guy because of his chin. Effective punching pretty subjective really and damage on a fighter not always the telling how the fight went i wish there was a better system at time for judging.

Doing visible damage, stifling an attack and breaking momentum, controlling dictating ring real estate as a result and making opponents legs have disagreement thus leaving them with wonderment as to how they are now laying on the ceiling and why they cannot hear what the ref is yelling.

One of the old boxing writers, the guys that really knew about the game, said that judging boxing was easy. Any 10 year old could do it, just by looking at the two guys after the fight. I think it was Budd Schulberg that wrote that.
Of course in the era of pillow gloves and arm punchers, that kind of goes out the window.

Originally Posted by Mr140

Well here is the thing if a guy is landing punches that are solid and has no power is he effective or if can't hurt the guy because of his chin. Effective punching pretty subjective really and damage on a fighter not always the telling how the fight went i wish there was a better system at time for judging.

There is nothing wrong with the 10 point must system. The problem is with some that use it. Some are the best trained but the worst educated. Some think that the more you complicate things the more evolved it becomes. That is fine for an Iphone.Compubox numbers muddy the water even further and should not imo be used on broadcasts to the extent that they are. When the bring out those silly body suits and suggest the body punch count and placement I just about hurl.

They should remove the judges from ringside. There are to many blind spots and to many distractions. Give them the same camera angles we get. Many of the judges act like pseudo celebrities. Make them do what they are there to do w/o Pamela Andersons camel toe in the direct line of sight on the other side of the ring.

The crash test dummy graph that HBO uses. Has to be one of the most ridiculous uses of empty eye candy going.

And for god sakes just introduce the judges as you do the ref...make them stand, face to name on camera...and announce the e mail and home state

Punches landed ask Jeff Lacy after he been hit by hundreds of punches,! by Calzaghe Jeff
looked like a Gargoyle after the fight.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Mr140

Well here is the thing if a guy is landing punches that are solid and has no power is he effective or if can't hurt the guy because of his chin. Effective punching pretty subjective really and damage on a fighter not always the telling how the fight went i wish there was a better system at time for judging.

There is nothing wrong with the 10 point must system. The problem is with some that use it. Some are the best trained but the worst educated. Some think that the more you complicate things the more evolved it becomes. That is fine for an Iphone.Compubox numbers muddy the water even further and should not imo be used on broadcasts to the extent that they are. When the bring out those silly body suits and suggest the body punch count and placement I just about hurl.

They should remove the judges from ringside. There are to many blind spots and to many distractions. Give them the same camera angles we get. Many of the judges act like pseudo celebrities. Make them do what they are there to do w/o Pamela Andersons camel toe in the direct line of sight on the other side of the ring.

Iaminut makes a point I'd bring up. They should remove the judges from ringside.
When the Fight goes to a corner, one judge is on the opposite side. Plus having to look up, sometimes a ring rope Hinders vision...especially for body punches.
I've been 2nd row before. Great view when the fight is on my side. Not so much so on the other side.

Maybe this is goofy..but I would place judges on high chairs like in tennis.no obstruction of view.

Ôur sport is the most subjective.our point system is based on Subjective/opinionated scoring.
A hard punch(point) landed can change the score when compared to a lesser or weak punch. I'm not sure this is a good thing.

American football is a great example that proves my point. Just imagine 2 touchdowns scored per team.
Twice...Team one marches 80 yards. Joe Montana style. (10 ) plays short dump passes longest play was 8 yards...scored with a one yard run. Chewed up 40 out of 60 minutes.
I'd see this team as a boxer who threw twice as much..and time of possession is equated to ring General ship, controlling the tempo of the fight./game.

Team two time of possession:20 minutes. Both scores were 80 yards for a single play. This is equivalent to 2 bone breaking shots.
But the sport football didn't negate the other team's score.

So if a boxer throws 100 punches..landed 20 pity pat shots controlling 2 minutes of the round vs their foe who throws 45 Punches landing 15 while snapping their head back ripping his foes eye..controlling only one minute of the round...
He still landed less...I'm supposed to erase what occurred the first two minutes

If a Fighter lands more, he should be credited with it.

Because we add subjective criteria effective punching...
Ring General ship..trying to separate clean punches from partially blocked...
Even though WE ALL have seen fights where a partially blocked shot has a greater impact then a clean shot...Because that fighter wasn't blessed with power.

Sorry for the rant...I guess I'm trying to say..we kill our own ability to properly score a fight when we add on something other than shots landed.

I think it was Kellerman that said the way he judged a round is which guy he would rather be at the end of it. Simple but makes sense to me.

Originally Posted by frasd

I think it was Kellerman that said the way he judged a round is which guy he would rather be at the end of it. Simple but makes sense to me.

In theory I agree. But I would have to rule against any Joe Calzaghe fight, Pernell Whitaker Fight with that criteria.

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Amateur boxing is punch counting; in professional boxing you also consider the damage done by punches.
The problem I have with punch-stat numbers is that I don 't know the criteria by which they determine if a punch lands. An example is the first Chavez/taylor fight. They were counting punches that seemed to be being caught on gloves or deflected off shoulders and elbows.

Effective punches (hey, y'all that's open to interpretation), is what I continually hear. Some judges get it and some don't.

The answer is no.

You have to land point scoring punches even if they are soft like Floyd's or Calzaghe.

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Amateur boxing is punch counting; in professional boxing you also consider the damage done by punches.
The problem I have with punch-stat numbers is that I don 't know the criteria by which they determine if a punch lands. An example is the first Chavez/taylor fight. They were counting punches that seemed to be being caught on gloves or deflected off shoulders and elbows.

Effective punches (hey, y'all that's open to interpretation), is what I continually hear. Some judges get it and some don't.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

pitter patter assholes like _______ and ___________ maY LAND a hundred more punches, like butterflies alighting on a stem, but they have no effect on the opponent.

And then other fighters may land only 2 punches, and........

Lmfao speaking of pity patters, Calzaghe comes to mind.. he looked so funny when throwing those pity pat slap combos .. just looks so girly ..

I cant believe that same girly combo got him a stoppage victory over manfredo.. that was just criminal.

Both Floyd and Calzaghe developed that pitty patter style due to hand injuries in order to preserve their careers.
But they both didn't win rounds because of their pitty patter punches, they won rounds because they didn't get hit as much as their opponent as well. I mean, who would you give a round to? The 1st guy who threw 120 punches and landed with say 50 pitty patter punchers and 10 with a bit more substance, or the 2nd guy who throws 30 punches and lands with about 2?
That's why Floyd and Calzaghe won fights. Because they were better!