Thread: p4p, what is your definition?

The first thing I think about when I see p4p is skill set.

Floyd is often rated #1 p4p and I agree with that, to a point. If you added a hundred pounds to Floyd's body, left him with the same body type, SKILL SET, work ethic and desire I'm sure he would he the champ. That's going up in weight.

Going down in weight I'm not so sure about.

A lot of you say p4p is misused, overused and misunderstood so please tell us what you think it means.

There's always the chance I'm wrong again or may change my mind again.

Haha! Should I have Googled it first.

I hate to answer with my stupid name, but it doesn't actually mean much of anything to me. It's a rough way to rank guys that are generally seen as the best fighters in the sport regardless of weight class, nothing more. Obviously the entire mechanics of fighting are completely different when you're talking about a Heavyweight and a lightweight, to compare them "p4p" is retarded. Guys like Floyd and Manny are naturally small men and moved up mega weight classes consistently beating everyone who started out there, that makes it easy to put them at the top. It doesn't take into account the fact that they have changed and adapted in doing so, the advantages they gave up, whether they actually became any better essentially. Some fighters aren't successful in giving up size to their opponents, that doesn't mean they are lesser than those that are neccesarily. I really need a coffee, can't be bothered to decide whether that makes any sense to myself right now.

Present application judging by the masses on countless forums and media alike I'm stuck between this,

a substance that gives another substance flavor, altering the characteristics of the solute, causing it to become sweet, sour, tangy, etc.

and this,

something regarded with special favour or liking; preferred above all others and treated with partiality

Perhaps a mixture of the two

I keep it simple. It's pure resume and achievements(belts won). Sadly even fabricated achievements (BradleySDPacquiao) still count because they are standing with the official record.

I won't delve too far into fantasy match ups. I just see p4p being pure ranking of boxers achievements.

I always took it as though if the chosen boxer was at any weight he would be the best.

A massive floyd mayweather with the same skillset against the heavyweight brothers or a tiny floyd mayweather with the same skillset against flyweight jhonny gonzalez.

Any fantasy weight the p4p wins.

Thats how great "they" rate him.

The problem then becomes that you could say that about any world class welterweight ever. If they were 6'5 250 pounds and fought exactly the same way it would be completely inhuman and of course they'd beat anybody who ever fought. If Lennox Lewis or Wlad were only 5'9 147 lbs by the same token they would be a KO victim every time, it just doesn't work like that.

Originally Posted by p4pking

The problem then becomes that you could say that about any world class welterweight ever. If they were 6'5 250 pounds and fought exactly the same way it would be completely inhuman and of course they'd beat anybody who ever fought. If Lennox Lewis or Wlad were only 5'9 147 lbs by the same token they would be a KO victim every time, it just doesn't work like that.

Thats YOUR opinion not mine.

Vitali or oliver mcCall would never be knockout victims..

No one will ever know what a real p4p is thats why its fantasy in the first place!

A p4p can work anyway you want it to be thats why sugar ray robinson, roy jones and floyd were some of the examples given this amazing title because the majority believe they are the best of the best at that time.

Originally Posted by p4pking

The problem then becomes that you could say that about any world class welterweight ever. If they were 6'5 250 pounds and fought exactly the same way it would be completely inhuman and of course they'd beat anybody who ever fought. If Lennox Lewis or Wlad were only 5'9 147 lbs by the same token they would be a KO victim every time, it just doesn't work like that.

Im sure others will bring up many examples of other world class welterweights that was not given this title because they couldnt be at any weight and beat everyone!

As a p4p king that doesnt make sense.

I've always said that apart from working out the best boxer in the World at any weight and maybe the next best , it means nothing. All this "top 10 p4p" talk is ridiculous. A perfect example is Adrien Broner . He's about #8 on the "Ring" p4p rankings based on what he did at the lower weights, but he's only #8 in the division he's boxing in with the same magazine! So what about people like Klitschko, Ward and Martinez who are rated higher than him p4p . Then believe it or not, Alexander, Brook (who is rated above Alexander?) and Guerrero are all ranked above him at Welterweight, but nowhere to be seen in the p4p list. Like I said, it serves no sensible purpose whatsoever.
That is why it should never be used to make fights.

Originally Posted by imp

Originally Posted by p4pking

The problem then becomes that you could say that about any world class welterweight ever. If they were 6'5 250 pounds and fought exactly the same way it would be completely inhuman and of course they'd beat anybody who ever fought. If Lennox Lewis or Wlad were only 5'9 147 lbs by the same token they would be a KO victim every time, it just doesn't work like that.

Im sure others will bring up many examples of other world class welterweights that was not given this title because they couldnt be at any weight and beat everyone!

As a p4p king that doesnt make sense.

Yeah, it doesn't seem to work when you try to imagine Floyd from 105 to 118, maybe because the athletic ability goes up as you go down in weight. I'm talking about hand and foot speed.

Defining p4p has to be similar to describing what's its like to trip on acid to someone who's never done it.

Or, marketing tag. In an ideal world...skills. That's it. Not number of trinkets, not beating a 'p4p' and then taking his place or entering the conversation. Skill set. It's extremely objective. The holiday Fruitcake of boxing rankings. Big, all over the place and very colorful but I don't want any thanks.

Ricky hatton kept using p4p in every other sentance when he fought floyd and then manny.

If he would have won would he have been p4p?

Its all fantasy talk really. A certain group of people decide who the best seem to be and give them this fantasy tag.

In my mind it is a fighter who with the same skill set, power, height, reach ect at his weight could be cloned with the exact same proportions into another weight. So Floyd at heavyweight would beat the crap out of Wlad.

Originally Posted by imp

Originally Posted by p4pking

The problem then becomes that you could say that about any world class welterweight ever. If they were 6'5 250 pounds and fought exactly the same way it would be completely inhuman and of course they'd beat anybody who ever fought. If Lennox Lewis or Wlad were only 5'9 147 lbs by the same token they would be a KO victim every time, it just doesn't work like that.

Im sure others will bring up many examples of other world class welterweights that was not given this title because they couldnt be at any weight and beat everyone!

As a p4p king that doesnt make sense.

You're not following. I'm saying it's completely impossible for a heavyweight to fight like a welterweight, and vice versa, nothing more. Lighter men are generally more skilled than giants, they have to be, and they obviously fight at a higher pace. There has never been a natural heavyweight as technically sound as a Mayweather or Ricardo Lopez, nor any as high octane and relentless as say Pacquiao. It's physically impossible to fight that way when you have the stature.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Defining p4p has to be similar to describing what's its like to trip on acid to someone who's never done it.

Or, marketing tag. In an ideal world...skills. That's it. Not number of trinkets, not beating a 'p4p' and then taking his place or entering the conversation. Skill set. It's extremely objective. The holiday Fruitcake of boxing rankings. Big, all over the place and very colorful but I don't want any thanks.

Ditto.

Urban Dictionary: P4P

LOL

In some ways its bang on. You have your pimps, top earners, hoes etc. Roach claims there are only 8 ppv fighters. 17 weight divisions or maybe 25 if one includes catch weights. Some fighters mixing it up 2 and even sometimes 3 divisions south of where they should be for a shot at glory in an extremely limited pay market. There are probably only a handful of actual pound for pound fighters out there today and yet the term is used as a blanket. I much prefer top ten fighters today. People and broadcasters alike have flipped it to p4p because it’s simpler and in so doing mocked the origin and meaning of the phrase by watering it down to simply mean the favourites of the day.


That second definition on the page also has merit lol.