Thread: Get off you’re anti-boxing stance, mate

On 12 October 1853 during a heavyweight championship bout between John C. Morrissey and Yankee Sullivan, Sullivan left the ring to throw a few punches at a group of Morrissey supporters who had been heckling him. He failed to get back into the ring in time to answer the bell for the next round. Morrissey was, therefore, awarded the decision.-Ron Price with thanks to AmericanHeritage.com, American Heritage Magazine, October 2003, Volume 54, Issue 5.

In October 1853 the second Nayriz upheaval occurred in Iran in which 600 female and 80 or more male Babis, a cause that claimed to be founded by the Promised Qa’im, indeed a new religion in Iran then in its ninth year, were taken prisoner. With them the heads of some 180 martyrs were marched to Shiraz.


Bahá’u’lláh, the leading Babi, and His family had been exiled to Baghdad from Iran some ten months before. This exile is now compared by Baha’is to the migration of Muhammad, the exodus of Moses and the banishment of Abraham from Ur of the Chaldees to the Promised Land. Incalculable blessings flowed from Abraham’s banishment as they were destined to be vouchsafed to the whole human race.-Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, Baha’i Publishing Trust, Wilmette, 1957, p.107.

And you think boxing is a bloody sport!
It’s not even in the running with the sport
of religious and political fanaticism that
has been tearing our world apart for at
leas the last two centuries if not the last
several millennia, mate. Give it a rest this
anti-boxing stance of yours. Boxing is some
form of child’s play compared to, say, the
Mafia, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, just to name
a few of the moderns going back to, what?
Where would you like to start in the longue
duree that is the history of humankind?

Just get off your anti-boxing operatic stage
and all your pussy-footing around in the
midst of wars and rumours of wars that
are threatening, at this great climacteric
of history, to bring an end of civilization!

Ron Price
29 December 2008

Brilliant Ron.

I have a request:
Can you link the Black September bombings
to on board food services in second class Air Israel flights combined with the timing of Baha'i faiths growth in the southern hemisphere, parallel to Hassan-iSabba movements.
My bet is it can be done, but only by you Ron.

Belated thanks for those responses folks. I do a great deal of writing in which I link some aspect of society, some aspect of my own life and my belief system in what you might call a synchronicity. Some enjoy it and some do not.-Ron Price, Australia

I do not enjoy it, can you tell me who does?

Yuck. Just weak, sentimental drivel meant to placate to gaurenteed like-minded individuals.

This kind of nonsense drives me absolutely nuts, because it's everywhere.

The hypothesis you've reached is essentially THERE'S STUFF WORSE THAN BOXING SO BOXING IS GOOD.

Huh? What?

So because people kill other people, it's right to watch a sport where the main objective is to give someone a brain injury? Huh?

The arrogance to post that nonsense and proudly sign and date it at the bottom, like it's some kind of monument of intellect. GTFO

If you read between the lines Ron doesnt like politicians but enjoys history . In this country a group of those types are always trying to run off boxing for all the old reasons. Yet their types the world over will exile peace makers and make war against anyone who doesnt share their own religion while taking your children off to war to fight their own imagined causes and destroy humanity.They are not the peacemakers they are the controllers of everyone and everything they can get their hands on.

Belated apologies for not responding sooner to your comments. At the risk of upsetting some commentators here, I'll post some reflections on internet sites, the posts one finds at them, and how they are administered. -Ron Price, Australia
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INTERNET SITES: AN OVERVIEW

Part 1:

Internet communities are like micronations. Some are not governed at all; a sort of literary chaos reigns. The posts and images at these sites represent the worst features of contemporary literary society: loud, crass, illiterate and completely devoid of what you might call an etiquette of expression. Others are governed by tyrannical rule. This tyranny often leads to a whimsical enforcement of arbitrary rules and law. Personally and emotionally induced muscle flexing operates at such sites in the hands of moderators, administrators and site entrepreneurs. Still other site organizers try to hit a middle ground between these two extremes.

I find, as a retired teacher after 32 years in classrooms as a teacher and another 18 as a student, that the various modus operandi and modus vivendi at internet sites are very much like the different philosophies and styles that I used to see teachers using to cope with the increasing number of difficult students filling our modern society. Some teachers resort to the iron rod of verbal and assorted disciplinary forms available to them. Some of these teachers have success and others do not. Other teachers are too permissive and get walked all over by their charges. These authoritarian and democratic styles are also found at websites.

As Gary Remer writes in 1966 in his Humanism and the Rhetoric of Toleration(University Park: University of Pennsylvania Press), beginning, perhaps, with Cicero among the ancients, and continuing through early modern writers like Erasmus into our modern age, there have always been those who conclude that truth is furthered by a more harmonious relationship between interlocutors.

Part 2:

There is usually no way to know just how oppressive system operators are at internet sites as all access to the records of their decisions are usually hidden from public view. But a short stay at one of these authoritarian regimes will give the novice, the new comer, a quick feel of the atmosphere and usually a quick response from one of the interpreters of the rules. For these rules and guidelines are like some biblical text with literalist interpretations rampant. The more permissive sites are just the opposite and you are just as likely to be told in no uncertain terms where to get off with lots of “F” words, slang and a vocabulary that you will not find in any good dictionary.

These site interpreters, moderators and administrators, like teachers, have a difficult job in our modern society. Traditional standards of excellence and agreed on definitions of the literary and grammatical canon on just about anything are all up for grabs, so to speak. Like the hundreds of teachers I knew in the half century(1949-1999)when I was a student and a teacher, these standard setters at internet sites have a tough job. It is not surprising that at many sites there are no standards at all.

Part 3:

The purpose of a nation or a community—or a website—is to support progress and interaction, to provide information and integrate ideas and actions into some harmonious and philosophical whole. This is a tough ask a goal that is difficult to achieve. To pick and choose posts, to accept some and deny others based on some fixed criteria, tests and patience of Job and the wisdom of Solomon—and there are few of these old wise men around these days. If people only follow strict traditions and the community banishes someone at the slightest hint of a heretic, does it not undermine it's own purpose for being, as if a man were to decide feet are bad because they are not like the hands, and cut them off. Societies exist to encourage progress as well as to maintain stability. It is a difficult balance to strike.

If those in charge find a routine, a rule, that works, they do their best to stick to it. This is often called tradition, law, schedule, taboo. It is all about keeping the boat steady. Risk-taking is often difficult. Society’s systems and the systems at websites are not easy to keep running with some order and form. The places require effort and time on the part of those who have accepted the responsibilities for running the show. Storms and radical thinkers may throw them off course; they will resist with all their might, never giving up until the vessel has been overturned and they are forced to start anew. Change in this paradigm is bad and even if you tell the crew, "Look, we are headed for a cliff, we will crash to our death, if you don’t alter course!"--it will not change their steadfast position.

They do not care about where they are going; they assume all is okay even if their ship is old and falling apart. Some fall apart from too many rules and others from too few; some from not enough money and others from not having people to do the jobs required to keep the sites in operation. Repetitive tasks are required to keep things going as they have been and often nothing will awaken the administrators except the ice-cold water as their ship sinks to the dark depths of the ocean floor. The iron cake of custom and tradition is difficult to alter. In our world of crises and the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune—you can’t really blame these internet site arbiters.-Ron Price, Tasmania.
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